Lil Wayne's New Single

[kaneland14]

Who else thinks it's absolute Shit, here's a link to it, it's like autotune pop, but he's sellin it a rock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKflA2xvGTE

[ablindkid666]

i wanted to kill myself

[EmmitBrown]

haha, i like it. he's been branching out for the past couple years. he'll try anything, but it doesn't end up soundin gay like Kanye's garbage.

his Bad.Ass.Grasshopper stuff is mad different but sick too. came out like two years ago.

he's also got a new track called "yes" that's just FIRE...he's definitely on top of his shit. dude LIVES in the studio.

[kaneland14]

He is the most talented and versitile artist even imo, an i admire his courage for trying to branch out so mucj, but this is horrible, i miss the wayne from tha carter 2 and before, when he was solely a rapper

[jest118]

I really don't understand why so many people are feeling Wayne. I mean... well maybe I should reword that. I can understand why people like his music, even if only due to the fact that it's plainly different strokes for different folks.

But I REALLY don't understand why people are feeling Wayne lyrically. It just doesn't make sense when there's so many rappers out who surpass him in so many ways. For example:

Crooked I:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZURRPZLTHUg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh-ycEfF0JM

Joe Buddens:
http://www.imeem.com/people/9PaTgr/music/gxzlT63j/joe_budden_boy_looka_here_freestyle/

Copywrite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdM2NtYqglA

Black Milk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g8aUl1DkYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU0FmHg5WCc

and hell Pharoahe Monch's been killing it for years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCUt-jYcnw8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ6-FYAngvc


I mean... there's just so MANY artists out there that rap circles around Wayne. I didn't even touch on dudes on Majors like Em, Jay, Nas, etc..

And just to not be completely off topic I can't stand that Prom Queen track. I can really only listen to that track he did with Kanye on 808's and Heartbreak. Everything else just bugs the shit out of me.

[be a debaser]

wayne is garbage... always has been. Jest knows his stuff though not a fan of Black Milks emcee style but his beats are dope... others to check out:

onebelo (http://www.myspace.com/onebelo) - Originally from Binary Star whom he worked with Senim Silla... amazing emcee.
People Under The Stairs (http://www.myspace.com/peopleunderthestairs) - more a group, but all good late 90's type feel shit... love it!
John Robinson (http://www.myspace.com/thejohnrobinsonproject) - he recently released a colab with DOOM's instrumentals
Aesop Rock (http://www.myspace.com/aesoprockwins) - a bit differnt if you like the abstract side of hip hop... A lot of his work is produced by blockhead.
Kenn Starr (http://www.myspace.com/kennstarr) - Probably one of my favorite upincomers... Starr Status is probably oen of my top favorite albums of the last few years.
Blu (http://www.myspace.com/herfavcolor) - Another fresh dude... his colab with exile is FRESHHHHHHH
Blue Scholars (http://www.myspace.com/bluescholars) - Good shit... a bit of a hip hop movement forming in seattle... beats are dope, sabzi is the man.

I could really go on... :)

[EmmitBrown]

either you're feelin it or you're not. i'm a lyricist and can appreciate the intricacies and subtleties that a lot of you i'm guessing miss.


didn't look at the whole list, but Joe Budden? are you serious? he's aiight, but he's NOT on weezy's level by any stretch of the imagination. that's just an insult.

i'll agree on em and jay, but nas ain't on any of their level either, i said it.

[jest118]

either you're feelin it or you're not. i'm a lyricist and can appreciate the intricacies and subtleties that a lot of you i'm guessing miss.


didn't look at the whole list, but Joe Budden? are you serious? he's aiight, but he's NOT on weezy's level by any stretch of the imagination. that's just an insult.

i'll agree on em and jay, but nas ain't on any of their level either, i said it.

You know.. I'm not a Buddens fan actually. However if you listen to that track that I linked.. it blows away anything Wayne has ever made in his life. And to say that someone who wrote lines like "I'm the bomb like tick tick" is above an artist who made Ether, One Mic, If I Ruled The World, and Nas is Like, that makes me wonder what exactly your consider lyricism.

[EAT BRICK KID]

Lil wayne cannot write lyrics for shitt.

I mean, His rapping voice and flow is cool..(He does good in the ludacris song and Games song.) but he just sucks at writing lyrics.

"I'm rare, like Mr. Clean with hair."

-Wayne


"The darker the berry, the sweeter the juice, I say the darker flesh, the deeper the roots.. I give a holla to my sisters on welfare..tupac cares, but dont nobody else cares."

-Tupac. (My fav pac line.)

[EmmitBrown]

you're quoting wayne's radio stuff against nas's album cuts...that's not gonna produce a fair comparison.

Nas: made you look...you need only listen to the first verse to hear piss poor filler lyrics at their finest. that's bush league. hell listen to the whole song and find one hot bar, i dare you. jada and luda killed the remix though, i'll give 'em that.

Weezy: these lyrics shit on Nas' whole catalog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tk1n6kukNk), and this is just some weezy mixtape shit!!!! he sooo nasty.


and to the dude that brought up pac...again you take one weezy humorous line against one of pacs more thoughtful lyrics. what if u put "i get around" for pac...would the comparison be the same? no....i think you guys just aren't into rap as deep as i am or something. i feel like im talking to a wall.

[Darkslide]

Wayne is not lyrical I'm sorry. I cant take a guy who pushes garbage out weekly, seriously. I know thats an exaggeration. He just isn't what people like to say he is. He's mainstream now(Yes IMO thats a bad thing) and he's begun to spawn more and more ignorant fans who think this is better than REAL music. I liked Like Wayne somewhat on the Original Carter. After that I stopped caring.

Using Auto-tune and saying one lines over and over in a song have become normal now and its dumb. Thats NOT music. Kanye fell into this and his album is just a disappointment. Wayne doesn't always do it. But he does it enough, which is too much.

[Darkslide]

Weezy: these lyrics shit on Nas' whole catalog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tk1n6kukNk), and this is just some weezy mixtape shit!!!! he sooo nasty.

I hope you're joking about this song. I laugh at someone who listens to this. He has no rhythm in his flow. This beat sounds hot, but its hard to hear over this raspy, whiny voice as he cries about some girl he's apologizing to and wanting back. :rolleyes:

[EmmitBrown]

my point was that nas shouldn't even be brought into the discussion. weezy said "what she means to me is what i mean to rap" that's naasty...and i can pick a thousand bars from nas that aren't even close to that. you can't pick one hot bar and compare it to a shit bar of someone else. that's sheisty and you only do it because you have no better argument. wayne is hated cause haters don't listen to his songs...just his collabos on the radio. if that's all you base it on are radio songs then none of the artists you brought up have a song to enter for comparison....feel me?

[jest118]

you're quoting wayne's radio stuff against nas's album cuts...that's not gonna produce a fair comparison.

Nas: made you look...you need only listen to the first verse to hear piss poor filler lyrics at their finest. that's bush league. hell listen to the whole song and find one hot bar, i dare you. jada and luda killed the remix though, i'll give 'em that.

Weezy: these lyrics shit on Nas' whole catalog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tk1n6kukNk), and this is just some weezy mixtape shit!!!! he sooo nasty.


and to the dude that brought up pac...again you take one weezy humorous line against one of pacs more thoughtful lyrics. what if u put "i get around" for pac...would the comparison be the same? no....i think you guys just aren't into rap as deep as i am or something. i feel like im talking to a wall.

Actually all those Nas tracks I listed were Radio Singles. If you want.. you can take Ether out of there since it was a diss track. Let's compare some of the lines of the joint you posted to some Nas lines.

Wayne Quotes:
"Nigga feelin' like he at the bottom like a horse shoe"
"Give me another chance, I'm needin' it like a kidney"
"You were the pistol to my holster .. BANG!"
"What she mean to me, is what I mean to rap (what I mean to rap)"

Nas Quotes from Nas is Like:
"Nas is like.. Earth Wind & Fire, rims and tires
Bulletproof glass, inside is the realest driver
Planets in orbit, line em up with the stars
Tarot cards, you can see the pharaoh Nas
Nas is like.. Iron Mike, messiah type
Before the Christ, after the death
The last one left,"

Just that Earth Wind and Fire line shits all over the What I mean to Rap line simply because Wayne is only a legend in his own mind... while Earth Wind and Fire undeniably legendary.

The unquoted parts of that Wayne song are emotional.. that's true. But emotional conveyance does not mean lyricism. I also wouldn't say that Pac was a lyricist either.

When I talk lyricists I'm talking about dudes who really work magic with the language. Metaphors, Similes, and Personification, all have to exceptional.


Edit: I should clarify though.. That I'm not saying that conveying emotion isn't important in an MC. Just the opposite actually. But a lyricist is better with the clever lines. Wayne makes songs that some people like to listen to yes... but none of his lines are actually impressive. At least... not in comparison to a LOT of other emcees out.

Personally though, I don't like anything that Wayne does.

[EmmitBrown]

"I also wouldn't say that Pac was a lyricist either."


nevermind then, we have two completely different definitions of lyricist.


and just because you don't get his references, doesn't mean he isn't making them.


ps. those nas lyrics you quoted aren't that impressive, especially considering he had time to write them (it was an album track) and weezy writes his songs during the session a lot of the time (that song was a mixtape track). i also notice you didn't quote made you look.



"When I talk lyricists I'm talking about dudes who really work magic with the language. Metaphors, Similes, and Personification, all have to exceptional."

^^ this is why i think you either haven't heard much weezy other than radio, or you don't get what he's saying...because he's all of those.

[EAT BRICK KID]

He cant write his own lyrics.. or at least he doesnt put that much thought into it.

and he is very succesful?? How??
I guess people just like his voice, and the songs that feature him (cause you know he dont write any of those lyrics.)

[EmmitBrown]

you've been misinformed. weezy write his own shit. he also plays guitar.

[jest118]

"I also wouldn't say that Pac was a lyricist either."


nevermind then, we have two completely different definitions of lyricist.


and just because you don't get his references, doesn't mean he isn't making them.


ps. those nas lyrics you quoted aren't that impressive, especially considering he had time to write them (it was an album track) and weezy writes his songs during the session a lot of the time (that song was a mixtape track). i also notice you didn't quote made you look.



"When I talk lyricists I'm talking about dudes who really work magic with the language. Metaphors, Similes, and Personification, all have to exceptional."

^^ this is why i think you either haven't heard much weezy other than radio, or you don't get what he's saying...because he's all of those.

Couple of points here. Mixtape or not, that's a written track. If you believe that artists actually put their "B" material on mixtapes or that the majority of these artists Freestyles are really completely spontaneous then you're clearly fooled.

A good artist will have prepared lines and entire verses committed to memory. That's not even including songs that were recorded for previous albums that didn't make the album cut. All it is, is a stockpile. So to say act like Wayne's mixtape tracks are any different than his album tracks is just plain wrong. All of them are written.

And as a sidenote... Mixtape Tracks usually contain the most quotable lines an artist puts out. Mixtapes are about showcasing skill while albums are about concept tracks.

That segment from Nas verse was loaded with more imagery and similes than that whole Wayne track. Remember nearly everything he states is what he's "like" just with repeating "Nas is like" before each comparison. So he's saying...

"Nas is like.. Earth Wind & Fire ( He's Classic/Legendary), rims and tires (He's Flossy/Expensive)
Bulletproof glass, inside is the realest driver ( He's Untouchable and Skilled)
Planets in orbit, line em up with the stars (He's one of the Greatest)
Tarot cards, you can see the pharaoh Nas (In the future He'll be King)
Nas is like.. Iron Mike (He's Dominant), messiah type
Before the Christ, after the death
The last one left," (He's a godsend that can never be stopped. He's a prophet)

Come on man.. this is no contest. Oh.. and you asked for a line from Made You Look.

" but don't say my car's topless, Say the titties is out"

Which is still better than everything in that Wayne track with a possible exception to the Hip Hop line.. but that REALLY depends on what you think about Wayne. I mean I could use the exact same line about a female that I think is useless and it would take on the completely opposite meaning. That's sloppy writing... so no he doesn't meet the requirements that I look for.

Oh.. and Pac wasn't a lyricist either. His strength was always in his emotion. He expressed himself in a way that was very relatable and touched many people. But he was not masterful with his words.

Please explain what it is I'm "missing" in these Wayne lines. Because at best all of his lines are either plain and obvious (ex. Horseshoe line), misguided (Kidney line), or don't make sense (Pistol to Holster line).

[Darkslide]

I dont have any resources or links or anything to provide as proof, but I could have swore He had a ghost writer Prior to Carter 2.

EDIT: I'm talking about Wayne just fyi.

And Jest You put my thoughts into words man. I could never devise what you just typed myself. I honestly cannot understand the sudden hype surrounding Lil' Wayne. How can he possibly call HIMSELF, the Greatest Rapper Alive? smh

[ChvyVele]

I got up to the part where Emmitt said that Weezy was better then Nas and I cried. Weezy is bad, plain and simple. He rhymes the same words together and it's like listening to a retard. Here's a real rapper...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M0WiuaqCLI

"Far from broke got enough bread, and mad hoes ask Beavis, I get nothin' but head."

Illin.

[EmmitBrown]

"Couple of points here. Mixtape or not, that's a written track. If you believe that artists actually put their "B" material on mixtapes or that the majority of these artists Freestyles are really completely spontaneous then you're clearly fooled."

i never said it was a freestyle, i just said nas had a lot more time to write his (being that it was on an album) and weezy writes his mixtape shit (i said he writes it not freestyles off the top) in the studio right before he spits it. jay-z writes in his head (jay-z is the sickest lyricist ever, if you don't think that then there's no helping you).

and i also know that there's a difference between an off the top freestyle and a freestyle on a mixtape (which just means it hasn't been on a legit track yet).

and i understood everything nas said before you typed it out for me....it doesn't make it deep.


i bet you like a lot of backpack rap and shit like that am i right? atmosphere and that garbage? because you don't understand where i'm coming from at all and obviously can't hear what i and other fans hear in weezy.

*exit emmit


omg, i just saw that you quoted the "titties" line...HAHAHAHHAHA...damn, that's a corny line, sorry

[kaneland14]

i really like wayne as a lyricist and a rapper, but liie kanye, he should just stick to rap, although i admire his courage to go way out of his comfort zone and putting himself out there.

To emmit:yes, he does play the guitar, but he is a very bad guitar player, watch the last 20 secs of the leather so soft video or the CMA's where he played guitar while kid rock sang all summer long

[kaneland14]

About pac and nas, i'm only 15, so they were alittle before my time, but i do have a few songs with nas, letter to the king by the game off LAX and My President by Jeezy off the recession and i really do enjoy those verses and they each have a few good lines and from what ive heard of pac i dont think he was as much of a lyricist, he just expresses himself very well

What do you guys think about Notoriois B.I.G lyricist or good at expressing himself

[jest118]

"Couple of points here. Mixtape or not, that's a written track. If you believe that artists actually put their "B" material on mixtapes or that the majority of these artists Freestyles are really completely spontaneous then you're clearly fooled."

i never said it was a freestyle, i just said nas had a lot more time to write his (being that it was on an album) and weezy writes his mixtape shit (i said he writes it not freestyles off the top) in the studio right before he spits it. jay-z writes in his head (jay-z is the sickest lyricist ever, if you don't think that then there's no helping you).

and i also know that there's a difference between an off the top freestyle and a freestyle on a mixtape (which just means it hasn't been on a legit track yet).

and i understood everything nas said before you typed it out for me....it doesn't make it deep.


i bet you like a lot of backpack rap and shit like that am i right? atmosphere and that garbage? because you don't understand where i'm coming from at all and obviously can't hear what i and other fans hear in weezy.

*exit emmit


omg, i just saw that you quoted the "titties" line...HAHAHAHHAHA...damn, that's a corny line, sorry

Backpacker Rap eh? You didn't even bother clicking the links that anyone else provided did you?

I completely understand that different people have different tastes. But something like lyrical prowess isn't something that's all that opinionated a topic. Either you're very technical with your words, or you're not. Wayne simply is not.


About pac and nas, i'm only 15, so they were alittle before my time, but i do have a few songs with nas, letter to the king by the game off LAX and My President by Jeezy off the recession and i really do enjoy those verses and they each have a few good lines and from what ive heard of pac i dont think he was as much of a lyricist, he just expresses himself very well

What do you guys think about Notoriois B.I.G lyricist or good at expressing himself

Big was always a lyricist first and foremost, though he was quite a storyteller as well. Especially when he portrayed himself as Frank White.

[EAT BRICK KID]

you've been misinformed. weezy write his own shit. he also plays guitar.

you have got to be kidding me?

He wrote his lyrics for "My life"???
and oh god, dont get me started with him on guitar.

[BSer34]

Did someone say Auto Tune? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBaXwRQQciI) Haha, it's not T-Pain, dont worry. It mocks people that use it. One more, these three are the future of hip-hop. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfHqJQsMgn4)

I'm more on Emmitt's side on this one. What Wayne puts on the radio is not the same as his mixtape stuff. He knows what sells to the masses and is smart for doing it.

Also don't kill him for the guitar playing. The fact that he can is rare in rap. People kill rappers saying they aren't musicians but one of my favorites, BoB (he's in the video I posted at the beginning) plays guitar; electric and acoustic, french horn, piano, and at least one more that escapes me. It's good for rap that some of these guys are showing they have other musical talents.

Oh and I hope Kanye chokes on his mic one day. I hate that dude.

[EmmitBrown]

damn, you want technical? here's three off the SAME mixtape.

any one of em can crush a nas album track.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCVtA5Q1qSs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXjbXUvLyXA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0I9daIA2AA

[Nelson]

I haven't read this thread, but i can tell you right now Eminem is better than any rapper mentioned here.

Thats just how it is. Get ready for the Relapse

[Nelson]

you have got to be kidding me?

He wrote his lyrics for "My life"???
and oh god, dont get me started with him on guitar.


First of all, My Life was The Games song, not Lil Waynes, he just did the chorus.

I can't believe i defended lil wayne, but you suck at insulting him.

[EAT BRICK KID]

First of all, My Life was The Games song, not Lil Waynes, he just did the chorus.

I can't believe i defended lil wayne, but you suck at insulting him.
dumbass.


people can write lyrics for you.. like if your featured in a song and shitt.
think before u post.

[Piss Peddler]

i can't understand why people like lil wayne. can someone please explain what the see in him?

[craz]

As a lyricist myself, Wayne is pretty garbage. Ill give him credit that he gets on tracks that are not the typical radio beats, but everything else about him is just insulting to hip hop. Lyrically he can't flow like Aesop Rock, El-P, Styles of Beyond. He can't deliver punchlines like Celph Titled or Copywrite. And he can't even come close to story telling like Cage or Lupe Fiasco.


With most rappers on the radio, they all use the same formula. Mims described it best. "I can make a mill saying nothing on the track." It's true. It is all about the beat and the label. Take a shit rapper, give him a dipset beat or a Lil John and they sell a million. True meaningful hip hop is underground, and the real gems are there.

[Nelson]

dumbass.


people can write lyrics for you.. like if your featured in a song and shitt.
think before u post.


I know that, Like eminem wrote dr dre's verse in crack bottles, i was just saying the example you used was horrible.

[jest118]

damn, you want technical? here's three off the SAME mixtape.

any one of em can crush a nas album track.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCVtA5Q1qSs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXjbXUvLyXA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0I9daIA2AA

None of that was even slightly technical. The first two were just really horrible tracks. The first one had a dope beat but that's about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLU0K5CaPlI

Forward this to about 6:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guFW25bBumo

http://www.zshare.net/audio/54883438c3597fc1/

That's technical.

[cutie3334]

i've never reely been into lil wayne.
i cant understand half of wut he says b/c he mumbles a lot. lol im more into pitbull and ludacris for rap

[kaneland14]

luda's not bad, and alot of my mexican friends like pitbull, he's not bad either

[EmmitBrown]

im leaving this thread because it's just a weezy bash fest.


even with the amount of music he has, he's still on average better than everyone you've listed.


top 3:

Hova
Em
Weezy

put all those "underground for a reason" artists somewhere in the late hundreds, capiche hater?

[jest118]

im leaving this thread because it's just a weezy bash fest.


even with the amount of music he has, he's still on average better than everyone you've listed.


top 3:

Hova
Em
Weezy

put all those "underground for a reason" artists somewhere in the late hundreds, capiche hater?


There IS a reason these artists are Underground. It's to make more profit off of their music. That's why the real money comes from Writing and Producing. Even owning a label doesn't make you all that much money.

You know how much profit you lose just in packaging alone? Keep it small and independent and the profit jumps exponentially.

But it's cool. At least mainstream labels can afford better videos with more rented sports cars and choreographed back up dancers. :D

[kaneland14]

There IS a reason these artists are Underground. It's to make more profit off of their music. That's why the real money comes from Writing and Producing. Even owning a label doesn't make you all that much money.

You know how much profit you lose just in packaging alone? Keep it small and independent and the profit jumps exponentially.

But it's cool. At least mainstream labels can afford better videos with more rented sports cars and choreographed back up dancers. :D




you just contradicted yourself

you said that underground makes more money, but then you said the mainstream can afford better vids with rented cars and back up dancers, which is it

[EmmitBrown]

yeah, kane. he did contradict himself. i stopped reading what he wrote when he quoted "don't say my cars topless say the titties is out"....that's just bad rap.
nas has no charisma on the mic. he's overrated....just like guru and mcs like that.


not to mention, everyone knows the money is in touring. and you can't pretend underground artists make more doing shows.

[kaneland14]

how come you can never have a calm and civil discussion on the internet, people ruin it sometimes

[ChvyVele]

damn, you want technical? here's three off the SAME mixtape.

any one of em can crush a nas album track.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCVtA5Q1qSs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXjbXUvLyXA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0I9daIA2AA



How do you actually like that? That wasn't technical at all, half the time he's not even rhyming. My cousin is better then him. For real, check out this song he did, it's sick.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7133128

Click "play hi-fi". The beginning isn't the best but after a few lines he starts some sick shit.

EDIT: Another...

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7175868

[EAT BRICK KID]

I know that, Like eminem wrote dr dre's verse in crack bottles, i was just saying the example you used was horrible.
Nah it aint..
game wanna him in there. but not his writing skills. perfect example for what I was talkn bout..

so yeah...

real? K?
And.. I gotta admit Lil waynes beats are amazing.

[jest118]

you just contradicted yourself

you said that underground makes more money, but then you said the mainstream can afford better vids with rented cars and back up dancers, which is it

No... I said the ARTISTS make more money. As in an "Underground" Independent Artist is making a much higher profit percentage than a Major Label Artist. Which is why the most paid Mainstream personalities are... once again... Writers and Producers. Neo makes more money than Weezy probably ever will because he writes songs for himself and tons of other artists. So not only does he get paid an intial fee to write the song... he gets a piece of every dollar they make on that record. Same with producers.

And....

The Artist on a Major doesn't pay for the Video to be made. The LABEL does. Hence being able to afford the use of HD Camera's, Rented Sports Cars, extensive lighting (sometimes pyro.. though that's usually Diddy), these big name directors and sometimes even celebrity cameos.

So what I said was the Underground Artist makes more money than the Major Label Artist. However the Major Label Artist gets the flashy videos because he's got a Major Label to foot the bill.


yeah, kane. he did contradict himself. i stopped reading what he wrote when he quoted "don't say my cars topless say the titties is out"....that's just bad rap.
nas has no charisma on the mic. he's overrated....just like guru and mcs like that.


not to mention, everyone knows the money is in touring. and you can't pretend underground artists make more doing shows.

Underground Artists tend to tour much more than Major Label artists... at least in Hip Hop. And it's true, a Major Label artist makes most of their money on tour but that's why Major's try to make them pump out an Album a year (as the Label gets their money from albums).

There's always an exception to the rule though. For example, I doubt Diddy does many tours at all. As well as internet legend and "underground" emcee Benefit doesn't tour at all either. I'm not even sure if he does shows.


The bottom line is many Underground acts sell just as many records as acts you hear on the radio. But since they're not attached to a major they spend way less money on staff. Since they don't usually play huge arenas, they spend less on equipment. The downside to this though is they're usually way less marketable.

I doubt you'll see a Slug T-shirt company or El-P Denim anytime soon. So while an Artist like Wayne may make less a record... his fame can be utilized in other ways, supplementing his income.

That's why dudes who's careers have made them unmarketable (Dipset, Buddens, Royce 5'9'', etc...) but still sell a good amount of records are going Independent. They're negotiating better deals for themselves in terms of $ per Record and don't incur unwanted costs having to pay for Staff and Equipment they may not want or need.

I.E. They make more off their music.

[cutie3334]

its just ur preferance i guess lol

[Nelson]

But Eminem is better than everyone.

No argument, game over, he wins you lose.

His garbage is better than your favorite rappers best selling song.

I will walk out now

[Corrine]

I've no idea who you're all talking about, though I do know it's about rappers. So whoever they are they can't hold a candle to Poc-Fu from the Fu-Schnikens.

bGGTvpc584E

Edit. or indeed anything by Ultramagnetic MC's

[Get Stoked]

There's no banjo...

it sucks.

I'm all about some Deltron 3030.

BTW everyone, quit arguing or I will become Get Choked.

[Corrine]

There's no Banjo...

it sucks.

May I steal that Stoked? It'd make a boss T-shirt.

[Get Stoked]

Yeah, take it, haha.

[Nelson]

If he's acting soft and he cowards/
He better come cleaner then Ja Rule jacking off when he showers/
You flowers got no clout with a thing/
You could date a stick of dynamite and wouldn't go out with a bang/
I showered the slang, simple as A,B,C's/
Skip over the D's and rock the microphone with E's (ease)/
Dethrone MC's and I'ma max alone/
Relax your dome like a solo from a saxophone/
So facts are known, writers get treated with shocks/
I rock a beat harder than you could beat it with rocks/
I'm greeted with flocks, of fellow follower's singers/
You couldn't make the fans throw up their hands if they swallowed their fingers/
But you can bring yours let's see what you got/
But don't front and never try to be what you're not/
Cause you can be quick, jump the candlestick, burn your back/
And fuck Jill on a hill, but you still ain't Jack/

Everyone read that, and tell me thats not the best rapper to touch a mic.

You want vocab, heres some vocab



Bust it, I let the beat commence so I can beat the sense of your elite defense
I got to meet the fence fruit was stompin at your feet to rinse
I greet intensive ladies, I spoil all your fans
I foil plans and leave fluids leaking like oil bands
My coil hands around this microphone lethal
One thought in my cerebral is deeper then a Jeep full of people
MC's are feeble, I came to cause some pandemonium
Battle a band of phony MC's and stand the only one
Imitator, Intimidator, Stimulator, Simulator of data, Eliminator
There's never been a greater since the burial of Jesus
Fuck around and catch all of the venereal diseases
My thesis will smash a stereo to pieces
My accapella releases plastic masterpieces through telekinesis
And eases you mentally, gently, sentimentally, instrumentally
With entity, dementedly meant to be Infinite

[Corrine]

So...there's still no banjo?

[EAT BRICK KID]

/facepalm

[kaneland14]

wayne is the best rapper in the game, with all his mixtapes, tha carter trilogy and all of his features, he is the undoubtly the best rapper alive
END OF DISCUSSION

[craz]

No... I said the ARTISTS make more money. As in an "Underground" Independent Artist is making a much higher profit percentage than a Major Label Artist. Which is why the most paid Mainstream personalities are... once again... Writers and Producers. Neo makes more money than Weezy probably ever will because he writes songs for himself and tons of other artists. So not only does he get paid an intial fee to write the song... he gets a piece of every dollar they make on that record. Same with producers.

And....

The Artist on a Major doesn't pay for the Video to be made. The LABEL does. Hence being able to afford the use of HD Camera's, Rented Sports Cars, extensive lighting (sometimes pyro.. though that's usually Diddy), these big name directors and sometimes even celebrity cameos.

So what I said was the Underground Artist makes more money than the Major Label Artist. However the Major Label Artist gets the flashy videos because he's got a Major Label to foot the bill.



Underground Artists tend to tour much more than Major Label artists... at least in Hip Hop. And it's true, a Major Label artist makes most of their money on tour but that's why Major's try to make them pump out an Album a year (as the Label gets their money from albums).

There's always an exception to the rule though. For example, I doubt Diddy does many tours at all. As well as internet legend and "underground" emcee Benefit doesn't tour at all either. I'm not even sure if he does shows.


The bottom line is many Underground acts sell just as many records as acts you hear on the radio. But since they're not attached to a major they spend way less money on staff. Since they don't usually play huge arenas, they spend less on equipment. The downside to this though is they're usually way less marketable.

I doubt you'll see a Slug T-shirt company or El-P Denim anytime soon. So while an Artist like Wayne may make less a record... his fame can be utilized in other ways, supplementing his income.

That's why dudes who's careers have made them unmarketable (Dipset, Buddens, Royce 5'9'', etc...) but still sell a good amount of records are going Independent. They're negotiating better deals for themselves in terms of $ per Record and don't incur unwanted costs having to pay for Staff and Equipment they may not want or need.

I.E. They make more off their music.



Fucking killed it on most parts. Most of the 'underground' acts are just seen as unmarketable by major labels due to their image (EX: Tech N9ne), lyrics (EX:Aesop Rock), or the artist just doesn't want to become part of a major label (IIRC, Copywrite won a battle contest hosted by Def Jam years back but took the money and turned down the deal). And lets face it, major labels are looking for someone to make them a quick buck first and a series of ablums second. They look for people who have a 'fresh' look, a marketable gimmick, new slang, ect ect. Then after they found someone they can market, they throw them with a team who is going to push them in a direction that will make them sell to the masses. Change in lyrics, looks, flow, style, ect ect. At the end of the day, there are VERY few rappers in today's time that rap the way they want to in mainstream media. Also mind you all, that major music labels follow news production/reporting when it comes to content, keeping it at a 6th grade comprehension level.

[ChvyVele]

wayne is the best rapper in the game, with all his mixtapes, tha carter trilogy and all of his features, he is the undoubtly the best rapper alive
END OF DISCUSSION

So... blind...

He's terrible.

Eminem = Win

Nas = Win

Jay Z = Win

And so on and so forth.

[jest118]

There's no banjo...

it sucks.

I'm all about some Deltron 3030.

BTW everyone, quit arguing or I will become Get Choked.

I didn't think it was an argument so much as a discussion... but sure.



Everyone read that, and tell me thats not the best rapper to touch a mic.

You want vocab, heres some vocab


Odd that you'd pull lyrics from his least successful album. But I don't think anyone here was questioning Em's skill. I think he's definitely anyone's top 5.

Where is actually IS on that top 5 would very for a lot of people. Personally, I have him at #1 on my list. My personal favorites from him are the entire Slim Shady LP, Murder Murder (both the original and remake), and the diss tracks he's done with Green Lantern during the whole Benzino/Murder Inc beef. Some amazing material dropped during that time from him.

[EmmitBrown]

i think wayne and em are two different styles, but neither is better than the other...so i tie them for second.....


however, i don't think anyone has ever put words together as disgusting as this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joHCfll2AGI)...that's why he's Hov.

[ChvyVele]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwkE97BLVzg

Lil Wayne can not compare to that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFPShUSgFyI

Or that.

[jest118]

i think wayne and em are two different styles, but neither is better than the other...so i tie them for second.....


however, i don't think anyone has ever put words together as disgusting as this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joHCfll2AGI)...that's why he's Hov.

Those first two verses were crazy nuts. Too bad he doesn't put shit out like that all the time.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwkE97BLVzg

Lil Wayne can not compare to that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFPShUSgFyI

Or that.

Actually this track is better than both of those.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svmZxdGzY2w

[EmmitBrown]

you guys are crazy....


and there were no verses in the grammy family freestyle it's all one flow...he fumbles a bit, but that's cause he wrote it in his head right then, more or less.


ps. jest you STILL think "something like lyrical prowess isn't something that's all that opinionated a topic"

because i think it very much is, and weezy's vernacular and references are just lost on you.

i think people like nas, guru, lupe and also the underground artists you listed (which your argument for was the same tired rehashed crap we hear all the time about how underground artists have integrity, blah, blah, blah) will never have as much charisma on the mic as wayne or em or hova.


and if your underground artists wanted mainstream money but all the control of staying indepentdent, they could have it. Jay-Z never got signed. you realize that right?

if they're so hot, why not start their own label? because they don't have the whole package. they have some punchlines, but can't write entire songs real well. or they aren't relatable,....or they just don't have enough following outside of their neighborhood....or any number of reasons.

you're placing too much importance on what they write not realizing that their flow is dookie.

Wayne, Em, Jay, Red, Clipse...people like that are just at home on the mic and everything works together. they have the ENTIRE package, sick punchlines, deep bars, catchy hooks, good beat selection...and whether they spit normal ass shit or some deep introspective concept track, they do it in a way that's relatable and incredibly interesting to listen to....


for the last time.....you just don't appreciate it, but that doesn't mean it sucks.

[jest118]

you guys are crazy....


and there were no verses in the grammy family freestyle it's all one flow...he fumbles a bit, but that's cause he wrote it in his head right then, more or less.


ps. jest you STILL think "something like lyrical prowess isn't something that's all that opinionated a topic"

because i think it very much is, and weezy's vernacular and references are just lost on you.

If his vernacular is something that I'm not catching.. then why haven't you bothered with trying to explain it? It's because Wayne doesn't have a special vernacular.



i think people like nas, guru, lupe and also the underground artists you listed (which your argument for was the same tired rehashed crap we hear all the time about how underground artists have integrity, blah, blah, blah) will never have as much charisma on the mic as wayne or em or hova.

Nas is actually a bit more charisma than lyrics but that's neither here nor there. No idea why Guru is in this discussion and Lupe has just as much charisma as Wayne has.. maybe even moreso. And I never once talked about Integrity.. so I have no idea where that came from.



and if your underground artists wanted mainstream money but all the control of staying indepentdent, they could have it. Jay-Z never got signed. you realize that right?

Uhmm.. Yes he was signed. To the Roc.. which Damon Dash had wheeled and dealed his way into getting legitimized by Def Jam. And Def Jam gave them a LOT of leeway. Don't mistake that for Jay having free reign since day 1... which he really didn't have.



if they're so hot, why not start their own label? because they don't have the whole package. they have some punchlines, but can't write entire songs real well. or they aren't relatable,....or they just don't have enough following outside of their neighborhood....or any number of reasons.

Starting your own label isn't something as easy as that. You really have to have the money to put behind that. The only two people in the history of hip hop to "start their own labels" or even come close is Master P and Lil Flip. Both of which afforded their independent labels through other businesses.

But why would you try to start your own label when there are options like Koch that are out there where you make a damn good amount of money... with again.. a fraction of the cost. I mean hell the last Jay "freestyle" that you linked mentioned Koch and that was in '06.



you're placing too much importance on what they write not realizing that their flow is dookie.

Really? Crooked I's flow is vicious. Slug's (aka the MC from Atmosphere) flows damn near flawless. Cage's flow is immaculate. Apathy is iller than your favorite up and comer and Copywrite is a picture perfect representation of flow. The dudes that I mention are not new and they are not flawed. The sell records... and a LOT of them and it's not a mistake. They've been in the industry for a LONG time and it's not a mistake. I mean look at The Pharcyde and Mos Def. These dudes are still considered "Underground." You really gonna say they have no flow?



Wayne, Em, Jay, Red, Clipse...people like that are just at home on the mic and everything works together. they have the ENTIRE package, sick punchlines, deep bars, catchy hooks, good beat selection...and whether they spit normal ass shit or some deep introspective concept track, they do it in a way that's relatable and incredibly interesting to listen to....

A LOT of emcees are capable of that though. Honestly. No joke. I mean I really only have to link one or two songs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKYVs9OoFFU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkzIZWhZ8XA




for the last time.....you just don't appreciate it, but that doesn't mean it sucks.

This is where you're mistaken. The very first post I made in this thread said "I can understand why people like it.... BUT"

My only objection was the classification of "lyricist" which I don't feel he deserves. I'd debate just as much if Mims, Soulja Boy, or Nelly were mentioned.

[EmmitBrown]

i can't take you seriously, no matter how many iliad-length rebuttals you type, when you keep saying things like "slug's flows damn near flawless"

slug has ZERO flow. he's just annoying to listen to. it's like saying TPHS animations have more style than PJ...

[jest118]

i can't take you seriously, no matter how many iliad-length rebuttals you type, when you keep saying things like "slug's flows damn near flawless"

slug has ZERO flow. he's just annoying to listen to. it's like saying TPHS animations have more style than PJ...

As much as you try to write me off though.. the fact is.. you haven't even bothered to listen to ANYTHING that I've linked throughout this entire thread.

I mean how can you critique something when you won't even LISTEN to it?

Anyone interested in giving me the benefit of the doubt would... at the very least listen to this... and tell me if it sounds like dude has no flow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkzIZWhZ8XA

[Nelson]

Odd that you'd pull lyrics from his least successful album. But I don't think anyone here was questioning Em's skill. I think he's definitely anyone's top 5.

Where is actually IS on that top 5 would very for a lot of people. Personally, I have him at #1 on my list. My personal favorites from him are the entire Slim Shady LP, Murder Murder (both the original and remake), and the diss tracks he's done with Green Lantern during the whole Benzino/Murder Inc beef. Some amazing material dropped during that time from him.

I love his diss tracks, they are just so perfectly done.

But if anyone hasn't heard


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I dont do black music
I dont do white music
I make fight music

[EmmitBrown]

i listened....i just don't enjoy his flow.


and why is it okay for him to say "live to work to live to work to live"
but when weezy says "re-up stretch it and flip it, re-up stretch it and flip, re-up stretch it and flip it, re-up"...you say he's just repeating himself?


there really wasn't anything impressive in that song. it was a good song. but nothing that says "this guys flow is sick"

it sounds like a white linkin park type of dude rappin...that's it.

[jest118]

i listened....i just don't enjoy his flow.


and why is it okay for him to say "live to work to live to work to live"
but when weezy says "re-up stretch it and flip it, re-up stretch it and flip, re-up stretch it and flip it, re-up"...you say he's just repeating himself?


there really wasn't anything impressive in that song. it was a good song. but nothing that says "this guys flow is sick"

it sounds like a white linkin park type of dude rappin...that's it.

Actually... I never said anything about repeating as a negative. When used properly it works really well. You're confusing my words with other peoples... which just shows how little you're paying attention to what I am saying.

And it's sad that you had to add "white" in front of "linkin park type of dude rappin." Considering that Linking Park's rapper is Mike Shinoda, who is Japanese AND that Slug sound NOTHING like Mike Shinoda. Which goes further to prove your close minded way of thinking.

What about www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZURRPZLTHUg

?

Does that MC have no flow either?

[EmmitBrown]

kind of hard to pay attention to jest you (see what i did there? better than anything nas has written) when 90% of everyone in this thread doesn't like wayne.

and i added white because the linkin park dude ISN'T white....this may be another reason why you don't get weezy. your comprehension is pretty bad. like saying it sounds like a white big daddy kane (which it doesn't i'm just using an example)


so i'll clear it up for you....it sounded like an average white guy rapping in a style that's as bad as linkin park. do you understand yet?

ps. i like crooked I, i just don't consider him better than anyone i've listed....and you already posted that video on the FIRST page......shows how much you know about whether i'm clicking your links or not :/

[jest118]

kind of hard to pay attention to jest you (see what i did there? better than anything nas has written) when 90% of everyone in this thread doesn't like wayne.

and i added white because the linkin park dude ISN'T white....this may be another reason why you don't get weezy. your comprehension is pretty bad. like saying it sounds like a white big daddy kane (which it doesn't i'm just using an example)


so i'll clear it up for you....it sounded like an average white guy rapping in a style that's as bad as linkin park. do you understand yet?

ps. i like crooked I, i just don't consider him better than anyone i've listed....and you already posted that video on the FIRST page......shows how much you know about whether i'm clicking your links or not :/

My comprehension is just fine. I just don't measure MC's by race. If someone is dope they're dope. If they're wack, they're wack. "White" "Black" "Asian" isn't a sound to me. But since you apparently hear in color... I'm going to link you to tracks and ask you what race they are.

http://www.zshare.net/audio/5491792798662f06/

http://www.zshare.net/audio/5491798080164e7e/

http://www.zshare.net/audio/54918173a6f3911d/

It's also funny that you choose to ignore the fact that Slug sounds absolutely NOTHING like Mike Shinoda... which invalidates your entire explanation and subsequent retort.

And I know that I posted that Crooked I track earlier. I did it intentionally. It's not the first time that I've reposted a track during the course of this thread. Which shows that you really DON'T listen to want's being linked.

[EmmitBrown]

weezy can hear in color :) he's a beast

and mike shinoda and slug are both shite was what they had in common.

ps. last time i checked "asian" isn't a color.


but i'm done because this is too much like the EA forums and i come here to get away from that.

[craz]

weezy can hear in color :) he's a beast

and mike shinoda and slug are both shite was what they had in common.

ps. last time i checked "asian" isn't a color.


but i'm done because this is too much like the EA forums and i come here to get away from that.

Hahahaha, my god, you should do stand up.

[ChvyVele]

I dunno, I liked the Fort Minor album. But that's aside the point. I was the one who said I hated that Wayne just repeats himself all the time, because he does it in damn near every song I've ever heard from him. And I didn't like that Slug video you posted Jest, just not my type of rap. As for Asian not being a color, Asian people are often referred to as "yellow", and you get what he's saying you don't have to act like you don't get it.

[Get Stoked]

NO ONE HAS FLOW LIKE J-LIVE.

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This song is called Mcee, 2nd verse is all words starting with M and C.

Also, I just posted a thread about this in the Fluckit.News section, but this is more specifically directed towards this thread: People have opinions, people like different music, if you don't agree with someone's views or preferences please refrain from even replying to them unless you're going to be nice. I'm starting to see a lot of ridiculous attitudes shine through. Discussion is fine, but pressuring people to believe an artist they like is awful and that they shouldn't like them is not acceptable.

This is the final warning, I hate to crack down as I like to think Fluckit is a place where you can come and be free. Which... it is, but there is one rule and that rule is no personal attacks.

[kaneland14]

no offence, but i listened to the first minute and had to turn it off, that's not my kind of rap

[Darkslide]

I just don't measure MC's by race. If someone is dope they're dope. If they're wack, they're wack. "White" "Black" "Asian" isn't a sound to me. But since you apparently hear in color... I'm going to link you to tracks and ask you what race they are.


ps. last time i checked "asian" isn't a color.

LMFAOOOO...I had a good laugh at this. Sorry. I wont participate anymore. I don't wanna get choked 0_0

[be a debaser]

lol you guys... shit can be versatile too, still doesn't give it a good name.

[craz]

i can't take you seriously, no matter how many iliad-length rebuttals you type, when you keep saying things like "slug's flows damn near flawless"

slug has ZERO flow. he's just annoying to listen to. it's like saying TPHS animations have more style than PJ...

Your right, Slug doesn't flow well. It's not his style. He is a story teller. But his flow beats the hell out of wayne. Wayne goes out of his way to sound off time and it just sounds bad. There hasn't been a recent rapper with the 'total package' recently because there doesn't need to be one. The closest I can think of for recent times has to be Ludacris. And really, trying to branch out and hit the 'total package' is only going to make you crap/mediocre at everything because your trying to do to damn much. It shows easily when someone is straining to make a punchline or to tell a story.

[EmmitBrown]

yeah, but to me and a lot of other people it sounds soooo perfect. you have to know the rules to break them (lyrically, poetically, etc.) and he's so nasty because it all just seems effortless. he's on another level, some people just don't get it.


like when you're joking around with your friends and you're just goin off on your own shit, and you're all on the same wavelength so you can make jokes that seem like they don't make sense but they really do on some other shit. old references, shared memories, all that.

that's weezy. and perfect comedic timing and style complete it.


this thread started because of a single. a single on an album which i'm anxiously awaiting the release. Lil Wayne's rock album entitled "Rebirth"...he's a musical genius, but most people can't see past his subject matter.

dude said
"yeah i do it big, call me lil astronomical,
weezy f baby and the f is for phenomenal,
type of n**** get his whole hood 'cross his abdominal,
check my watch bitch i was rich a long time ago,"


cheers, this is just my opinion.

[ChvyVele]

dude said
"yeah i do it big, call me lil astronomical,
weezy f baby and the f is for phenomenal,
type of n**** get his whole hood 'cross his abdominal,
check my watch bitch i was rich a long time ago,"


Yeah but... phenomenal doesn't start with an "f"...

[jest118]

My comprehension is just fine. I just don't measure MC's by race. If someone is dope they're dope. If they're wack, they're wack. "White" "Black" "Asian" isn't a sound to me. But since you apparently hear in color... I'm going to link you to tracks and ask you what race they are.


Yup.

[EmmitBrown]

"Yeah but... phenomenal doesn't start with an "f"... "

haha, seriously...you're joking right?

[ChvyVele]

I'm serious... clearly phenomenal sounds like it would start with an "f", but it doesn't. Write that down as another bad line in my book.

[Eesti]

First off i'm new here so my name is Eesti blah blah blah......


For the Lil' Wayne fans, how old are you?

Honestly, it's an honest question.


Music is a lot like literature. You have your literary masterpieces and you have your best-sellers. The difference between the two worlds is that people more often than not can easily distinguish between the great novels and a novel that is selling a great amount of copies. People seem to understand better that their beloved Danielle Steele or Dean Koontz novel, though entertaining may not be of the highest literary standards. It's easy, it's fun to read and it does't really challenge your mind. Kind of like Dan Brown novels. So with that said there is no argueent that because you are selling multi-platinum amounts that it verifies your skil in the art of hip-hop or any other form of music.

As time passes and you get older you listen to your older music. Music that you were convinced was the greatest audio ever made, five or ten years later it's not so fresh anymore. Music you were convinved was garbage you find yourself understanding more and realize that it is infact quite good. Your mindset back in the artists heyday was what prevented you from hearing that. Not always but sometimes. This goes both ways for the underground heads and the mainstream afficionados.

So with that said, one mans trash is another mans treasure. The test of time will define great artists and how well their music weathers the years.

Personally at 30 years old and raised on hip-hop it's more than obviuous that Lil' Wayne is a Danielle Steele novel. Nas is closer to a Tolstoy. I like it all and enjoy the music for what it is but people will not be talking about Lil' Wayne five or ten years from now. He's a best-seller not a literary master, it's obvious. Some of it's catchy and I find myself bobbing my head to it occassionally but the arguement of him being a great lyricist is baseless. The lyrics he writes or does not write are only a notch above Paul Wall. You literally have no soul or grasp of the hip-hop culture if you are putting Lil' Wayne above Nas or even on the same level. Nas gets respect from the whole industry, Lil' Wayne can't say the same.

[BSer34]

90% of rap now a days sounds the same anyways and I can respect Wayne for bringing something a little different. He's not up there as one of the best but neither are half the rappers mentioned. They all rap about the same things, have the same basic flow and have no versatility. To be honest, I prefer a rapper to be a little on the strange side with a different sound. (why I can appreciate Wayne, I guess) Really, I appreciate what all of them do, except Soulja Boy, I just have my own preference.

I've mentioned them before and I'll mention them again...Charles Hamilton (weird dude obsessed with Sonic the Hedgehog) and B.O.B. (from another planet) They bring it like it's supposed to be without being like everybody else. They are what's been missing from the rap game.

EDIT: Some of the things debaser put up were pretty cool and so was Stoked's

[EmmitBrown]

I'm 27, my favorite books are non-fiction books about economics such as Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations and things like that. I also read books about linguistics (see: Charles Pinker, a VERY good author on the subject), philosophy, musical theory, history...etc. So i guess what i'm getting upset at is the condescension i feel has been directed at me. None of you are any more qualified than myself to say who's the best lyricist. But considering i LOVE rap, (i said RAP, not HIP HOP) i know my opinions aren't formed willy nilly with no thought behind them. I hear what i hear in music and you hear what you hear. When I hear weezy go off on a track i can hear how intelligent he is and i'm "in on the joke" if that makes any sense. He is truly a master of his craft but again, not many people can hear past his subject matter. :( Also, if it matters, i listen to everything from White Zombie to Yngwie to Nirvana to Nina Simone to Charlie Parker to Led Zeppelin to Prince....not to mention the amount of rap and hip hop i listen to.


and to Bser, yeah i dig some of B.O.Bs stuff and some of Charles Hamiltons stuff as well (his Sonic the Hamilton mixtape was mad unique) they're both doin their own thing and bringing something fresh, but i wouldn't consider any of them to be close to someone like Wayne or Em or Jay yet...the pros are just too consistent.

[Nelson]

I think theres two categories in rap, not mainstream and underground. Here, and always.

People like eminem and lil wayne and nas will always be here, and they'll always be consistant

The other rappers mentioned here are dope too, i just doubt they'll still be putting out hot shit 10 years from now.

But i don't think theres an argument in the world to convince me eminem is not the greatest rapper to ever make a record.

[kaneland14]

You know, that song is actually starting to grow on me, i listened to it about 20 time on youtube since it came out and i just bought it about an hour ago, i take back what i said before about it being shit, it's nit rock but it's still a great song
Cant wait till the album


Anyone know when the 3-headed monster comes out ( dre's detox, em's relapse and 50's before i self destruct for those who dont know)

[EmmitBrown]

50 prolly soon....em hopefully soon.....and detox.................been waiting for that for over a decade

but yeah, Rebirth is gonna be sick. his producers started putting 808s and shit into the music and he told 'em no....like full on rock album. dope.

[jest118]

Before I Self Destruct should hopefully hit sometime in Feb/Mar, Relapse in April at the earliest, and Detox sometime after that.

Though all the released dates have been pushed back multiple times by now so it's hard to say. The months I've thrown out there are just my guesstimates.

[kaneland14]

i read somewhere that they are kinda a series, before i self destruct is gonna be released first, then relapse, then detox, is this true, it would kinda make sense because aren't they all on the same label and also, it would kinda make sense with the names of the albums that they would kinda go togehter

[ChvyVele]

Yeah I'm excited for all three of those albums. I doubt Dre's is going to come out soon though... he's been pushing that back forever. I'm convinced it's just an urban legend.

Oh and, did anyone hear 50's diss to Rick Ross? It's pretty sick, it's called Officer Ricky Go Ahead Try Me.

http://www.thisis50.com/profiles/blogs/50-cent-officer-ricky-go

[Nelson]

That song is hilarious, 50 cent got his fire back.

[PS3 Skater]

wow this seems to be a hot topic lol

I like lil waynes older stuff like fireman, and go dj but his new stuff id kind of waht greenday did with their american idiot album in becoming sell outs, before i get slated all the artists mentioned on this thread i like, i have a very varied taste in music from the game, xzibit to slayer and chimera lol anywho im off to play skate. c ya

[ChvyVele]

That song is hilarious, 50 cent got his fire back.

Yeah man I thought he lost it, but after he did that mixtape Elephant in the Sand dissing Fat Joe and now this, I have faith again. Nothing he does will ever compare to Get Rich or Die Tryin' though.

[Nelson]

Get rich or die tryin' will always have a place in hip hop, great album.

[k3v1n]

switch showed me this song the other day, and i was pretty pissed.
Frankly, I won't listen to any hip hop + rock beat unless it's a jay-z mashup.

Wayne definitely has some songs that are great, and everyone who says otherwise
clearly only gets their opinion from his radio songs, which I agree to an extent are pretty bad.

If you go away from his more publicized stuff however, you'll here some really deep,
meaningful shit come from Wayne, and it sounds a lot better than anything Nas or any other "deep" rap artist out there.

Who judges hip hop on the lyrics anyway? If you're looking for a good written song
listen to rap (which is a TOTALLY different genre if you ask me). Hip hop is all about the beat.

[ChvyVele]

Wayne definitely has some songs that are great, and everyone who says otherwise
clearly only gets their opinion from his radio songs, which I agree to an extent are pretty bad.

Definitely not true. My older brother is a huge Wayne fan, so I've heard so many of his songs. That means songs off of his albums, mixtapes, everything. Still not a fan.

[jest118]

i read somewhere that they are kinda a series, before i self destruct is gonna be released first, then relapse, then detox, is this true, it would kinda make sense because aren't they all on the same label and also, it would kinda make sense with the names of the albums that they would kinda go togehter

Yup. They're supposedly a themed release. That's actually the biggest reason behind the most recent delays. Technically they're not the same label but in reality... yeah it's the same people behind all three projects.



Who judges hip hop on the lyrics anyway? If you're looking for a good written song
listen to rap (which is a TOTALLY different genre if you ask me). Hip hop is all about the beat.

Unless you're being sarcastic... I think you've got your genre's switched there.

[EmmitBrown]

"Frankly, I won't listen to any hip hop + rock beat unless it's a jay-z mashup."

GOOD GOD! you're comparing a MASHUP (which isn't even music) with weezy original rock music? that's blasphemy.


"If you go away from his more publicized stuff however, you'll here some really deep,
meaningful shit come from Wayne, and it sounds a lot better than anything Nas or any other "deep" rap artist out there."

i do however agree with that statement.



"they like when i say Yeah, huh,
and your boyfriends a tampon,
and i don't own land baby, i own a landmine,
so step on my land and catch a bomb like Anquan...."

[kaneland14]

I challenge you to find 5 better songs/verses than these 5

Last of a dying breed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmD9iUkewoM
start at 1:40

Haterz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W0WoHhG24c&feature=related
start at 1:53

100 million
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMetI3HMTI
start at 3:30

9mm/speaker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh3doJZF6gw&feature=related
start at 0:48

We takin over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh3doJZF6gw&feature=related
start at 4:20

Hell, i can't only pick 5

I'm so paid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VYu3vB23F4
start at 3:40

Soldier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VYu3vB23F4
start at 2:30

Gimme that remix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7nA9S4GvSQ
start at 0:50 go to 1:25, skip forward to 3:15

Make it work for ya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGd6LUmTEJo&feature=PlayList&p=30D86A84D893A972&playnext=1&index=3
start at 2:48

Those are just the 10 off the top of my head

[Get Stoked]

Lil' Wayne's rhymes are so retarded, he should tour on the short bus.

Here's some local guys from my town, been doing their stuff together for about 10 years now. They're beats are all live with guitar, bass, drums, keyboard, bongos, and some other random instruments from time to time.

This song is from like 2002: ujyrR5ULALQ

eGnWVVkI9Hs

[kaneland14]

what are you talkin bout, those verses are fire

[Get Stoked]

I'm sure Lil' Wayne's good, he just not my style of Hip Hop.

[Nelson]

He's only good on others peoples songs in my opinion, his last of a dying breed verse so i fire its redic.

[EmmitBrown]

so nelson, where's your verse at? ;)

[Nelson]

Shit i forgot about that, once thats done no doubt I'll be up with the rest of the rappers mentioned here

[ChvyVele]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUawT_tl7sg

"Catchin' more bodies then abortion clinics"

Yeah.

Another...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JddZwAGs2yo

"I run with sturdy clicks I'm never hittin dirty chicks
Got thirty-five bodies, buddy dont make it thirty-six
Step to this you're good as gone, word is born
I leave mics torn when I put it on"

"I'm known to gas a hottie and blast the shottie
Got more cash than Gotti
you don't know?
you betta ask somebody"

"And I'm known to pull steel trigs and kill pigs
I run with ill kids and real nigs who peel wigs"

Ok... one more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soTya8ZB3VU

"I put chumps to rest fast, when my smith-wes blast
So just dash or trespass and get your chest smashed"

"I go bezerk when I put in work or do dirt, jerk
So stay alert, no smoke, cause these knuckles hurt"

Hell: http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7133128

"Make my own way, no luck with me
These skills are stuck in me,
I'm like a condom with holes, you should not fuck with me"

"Knock out your breath with a punch to the belly,
Take my knife out the freezer and give you cold cuts like a deli"

"I'ma tear it up, I ain't holding back, no resistance
Fuck it I'ma go the distance, fire to the pistons
Internal combustion, external malfunction
I eat emcees, yeah rapper consumption"

"Rhymes are tight like a virgin, my anger's purgin
And emergin to rearrange your face like a plastic surgeon"

"But they still gon' run they mouth, so I'ma end the bout
You're best to drop out, or it's gon' be a round one knockout"




All songs I'd rather listen to.

[jest118]

This is one of my all time favorites right here actually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpQvuy5v3wg

[ChvyVele]

This is one of my all time favorites right here actually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpQvuy5v3wg

LMFAO, that's awesome.

[EmmitBrown]

how old are you chvy, 14?

[ChvyVele]

how old are you chvy, 14?

Negative, why do you ask?

[Eesti]

Emmit - cool , I can respect that. The only thing I disagree with is how you separate hip-hop and rap. Hip-hop is the whole culture, hip-hop music is all music within the culture. It's all hip-hop whether people like it being called that or not.

[Nelson]

"We don't do drive bys, we park outside your house and shoot"

[kaneland14]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq2esSrHbBo

i think this is em's song off relapse, not sure

opinions?

[Nelson]

Not amazing, but glad he's back at it.

He sounds younger like his old self that we all loved.

[kaneland14]

i liked it too, not a #1 hit by any means imo, but still good

nice to see him back in the game

don't know if you've heard Touchdown by T.I. off T.I. vs. T.I.P., but em is fire on that song, i really started liking him after that song

[Nelson]

Thats it??!?!

listen to infinite slim shady ep & lp, marshall mathers for em's real good shit

[kaneland14]

i like the songs i have heard off them, but i'm broke

[EmmitBrown]

i like all of his LP stuff and his mixtape stuff most definitely, but he just went off on some of the tracks on encore, he can get nuts

[Nelson]

You don't have to pay for them...

albumhunt.com

but buy his new album when it drops, support that shit

[ChvyVele]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6egWvtU-8I

One of his best songs in my opinion.

"My minds got a mind of it's own,
Sometimes I can't find it at home, it hides in the stove (hello, where you at?)
Shit, talk about your brain bein baked
My shits still in the oven on 480 degrees"

[Nelson]

Fire, his underrated songs are the best.

[EmmitBrown]

his tim westwood shit is sick too.....he has too much good shit.


"if you ask me, i aint gonna be happy,
til i see every member of the backstreet boys gettin they ass beat,
in the back seat of a taxi,
and dropped off on a real backstreet,
and somebody black sees five little rich white kids,
lookin like faggots,
with the n word painted on the back of they jackets."

[Nelson]

Santana AND Lil Wayne begging Em to get on a track

http://www.rapbasement.com/eminem/020409-juelz-santana-joins-lil-wayne-as-artists-who-plead-for-eminem-to-do-a-song-with-them.html

[EmmitBrown]

katie couric wants to fuck wayne (http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhF0uPTeHLuoPMH75W)

good ass interview, too

[jest118]

The funny thing about the gag video I posted earlier... is I just came across this article last night.

http://www.rapbasement.com/eminem/020409-juelz-santana-joins-lil-wayne-as-artists-who-plead-for-eminem-to-do-a-song-with-them.html

Apparently, Juelz Santana has become to second artist to basically beg Eminem to get on a track with them publicly. Usually artists don't make statements like this unless their calls have been getting rejected. It's actually kind of sad.

Oh and the other artist to beg Em to get on a track? Lil Wayne. Video's of both incidents are shown at the link I posted.

[EmmitBrown]

haha, 'dopted already posted that info.....

it's pretty sick, they're doing it for the love of good music. they're putting themselves out there and allowing themselves to be vulnerable.

straight up respect to both of 'em.....:cool:

and i hope he does both songs as well....

[ChvyVele]

Not trying to make fun of Wayne here, but this was funny:

"Come on out. I’m not calling you out to diss me, because I can’t f*ck with you. But come do a song. Please…with three e’s."

[EmmitBrown]

yeah, he knows Em can diss the shit out of people.....different aspects of the same game.


:) and don't worry chvy, you could never make fun of weezy

[PS3 Skater]

Wow ! 129 replys on this topic!!!!!!

[Nelson]

Banks is turning into one of my fav. rappers

His flow as developed so much

http://www.rapbasement.com/audio/lloyd-banks-officer-down-rick-ross-diss.html

[kaneland14]

hands up is good

I like young buck better, get buck and let me in are great, but now that he is off g-unit, im not sure how he'll be in the future

[kaneland14]

All-time favorite rappers

1. Wayne
2. The Game
3. T.I.
4. Young Jeezy
5. Eminem

[Nelson]

You have Eminem below the game ti and jeezy?

Straight up disrespect, not saying they don't rip.

[kaneland14]

The game is amazing, all 3 of his albums are absolute fire

Jeezy, on second thought, id flip him and em

T.I. urban legend and trap muzik are amazing, king, ti vs tip and paper trail aren't bad either

[Nelson]

The Games last album was sooooo hyped and I only liked a couple songs.

When he tried to impersonate Eazy Tupac and Biggie he majorly failed at all three but he did Biggie the best.

He's all talk no many good songs, his singles are his best songs thats why so many people love him, therest of the music on his albums are usually garbage. Jeezy shouldn't be in anyones top 10. T.I. is dope always liked his music but its a little generic,

What I'm saying is Ems shit is better than most rappers favorite songs.

[kaneland14]

Jeezy's not the best lyrically, but i like his flow

I only have 1 of his albums ( the recession) so i guess i shouldnt put him up that high
The game, there are only a few songs of his i dont like, doctors advocate is amazing

50's not a bad rapper, i just dont like him as a person
Dr. Dre is pretty good too

[Nelson]

Dr Dre doesn't write his raps, em writes alot of them... And 50 is on his way back, he hasn't had a real nice album since Get Rich Or Die Tryin' which is one of the all time greats.

You should try downloading alot of music from artists you haven't heard much from because you seem like you have a very mainstream look at rap music.

www.albumhunt.com

Sign up, welcome to musical heaven

I'm currently downloading a Big L album ive been putting off for some time.

http://rs476.rapidshare.com/files/174728225/Big_L-Lifestylez_Ov_Da_Poor_And_Dangerous-Retail-1995-Recycled_INT.rar

[kaneland14]

yeah, i get all of my music off itunes, and they don't have alot of the lesser known artists, if i download from that site, can i put it on my ipod

[EmmitBrown]

1. Jay-Z
2. Weezy
2. Em
4. Ghostface
5. Freeway

[Nelson]

Of course you can, it will show up on your library like the rest.

You should get this first, http://www.download.com/WinRAR/3000-2250_4-10007677.html

Thats just an unzipping program that everyone uses. Then when the album finishes downloading open the file and drag the folder in there that is usually titled the name of the album into your music folder or itunes folder.

Its cake.

[kaneland14]

i'll have to try that when i get some money, i'm saving up for rebirth, before i self destruct, detox, and relapse, and seing as im 15 and i don't have a job yet, my only source of income is a $5 a week allowance

[Nelson]

Its free.

[kaneland14]

oh, well i'll have to start downloading

[Nelson]

Missing out, you can easily build your library too 1000 songs that you like in a week.

[switchFooTexas]

Only problem is you can' download off rapidshare or megaupload twice in a row, you have to wait..

[EmmitBrown]

usenet....learn to love it

[switchFooTexas]

I just have a rapidshare and megaupload account :D

[EmmitBrown]

wonderful :D

i don't need one, i have usenet

[switchFooTexas]

did you pay for it?

[Nelson]

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/audio/id.6774/title.joe-budden-in-my-sleep

One of the best "storyteller" type songs I've ever heard.

[Nelson]

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/audio/id.6789/title.drake-congratulations

Lil wayne is teaching this man well.

[Rejects]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUawT_tl7sg

"Catchin' more bodies then abortion clinics"

Yeah.

Another...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JddZwAGs2yo

"I run with sturdy clicks I'm never hittin dirty chicks
Got thirty-five bodies, buddy dont make it thirty-six
Step to this you're good as gone, word is born
I leave mics torn when I put it on"

"I'm known to gas a hottie and blast the shottie
Got more cash than Gotti
you don't know?
you betta ask somebody"

"And I'm known to pull steel trigs and kill pigs
I run with ill kids and real nigs who peel wigs"

Ok... one more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soTya8ZB3VU

"I put chumps to rest fast, when my smith-wes blast
So just dash or trespass and get your chest smashed"

"I go bezerk when I put in work or do dirt, jerk
So stay alert, no smoke, cause these knuckles hurt"

Hell: http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7133128

"Make my own way, no luck with me
These skills are stuck in me,
I'm like a condom with holes, you should not fuck with me"

"Knock out your breath with a punch to the belly,
Take my knife out the freezer and give you cold cuts like a deli"

"I'ma tear it up, I ain't holding back, no resistance
Fuck it I'ma go the distance, fire to the pistons
Internal combustion, external malfunction
I eat emcees, yeah rapper consumption"

"Rhymes are tight like a virgin, my anger's purgin
And emergin to rearrange your face like a plastic surgeon"

"But they still gon' run they mouth, so I'ma end the bout
You're best to drop out, or it's gon' be a round one knockout"




All songs I'd rather listen to.

I am in agreement on this one. Big L is sick and his lyrics completely blow lil wayne away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xvWd4VHRnY

"Ayo, I shoulda been out
I'm deadly when I pull the pin out
Keep frontin', I'ma try yo' chin out
I knocked a lot of men out
I left 'em on the floor spittin' phlegm out"

"Niggaz wanna be L, ladies wanna see L
If I go to jail you'll wear a shirt sayin' "Free L!""

[EmmitBrown]

stop bringin up old shit....because who's better than who depends on the listener. it's all subjective.

ps. i'm nice as shit :D

[Nelson]

True that emmit, work on that mixtape!

[kaneland14]

u guys have probably heard this, but i heard it for the first time yesterday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2ri8du3gV4

it's off da drought is over pt. 6

another reason why wayne is the best rapper alive

[Nelson]

u guys have probably heard this, but i heard it for the first time yesterday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2ri8du3gV4

it's off da drought is over pt. 6

another reason why wayne is the best rapper alive


lol come on now, at least pick his good songs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrApgRFVNtk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urkl1-GgFXg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPkAHvp1Vgw

Em notorious verse on Renegade where he completely out shined Jay z on his own track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot9LhcVWF2s

Thats just SOME of the reasons eminem is the great rapper ever to me personally.

Don't even get me started with his old infinite shit...

[Rejects]

u guys have probably heard this, but i heard it for the first time yesterday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2ri8du3gV4

it's off da drought is over pt. 6

another reason why wayne is the best rapper alive

Damn I thought I heard the worst lil wayne song when I heard phone home but this one might take the cake.

[EmmitBrown]

> Damn I thought I heard the worst lil wayne song when I heard phone home but this
> one might take the cake.

really? the lyrics are dope as hell and the beat is nuts....it's not his BEST but it's real hot, and up there....and it was a freestyle, i think on BET, first...

[Rejects]

> Damn I thought I heard the worst lil wayne song when I heard phone home but this
> one might take the cake.

really? the lyrics are dope as hell and the beat is nuts....it's not his BEST but it's real hot, and up there....and it was a freestyle, i think on BET, first...

I'm going to agree to disagree here because otherwise it will just turn into an aruguement. I personally just do not like Lil Wayne I find that his lyrics don't make sense and he is too flashy for my taste. I respect that you like him because you actually rap and I do not.

[Adio0709]

ive been using a different website for downloading music. you might have to register, but if you do, its free.

www.musiciso.com

[kaneland14]

do any of you guyes us emusic.com, i just got a coupon for 25 free songs in ESPN the Mag for it and was wondering if it's any good