hardcore mode talk box... [Archive]

Skatehead

04-01-2010, 08:50 AM

alright how i see it is.. hc is something we want 2 get out hands on and try cuz its all new and the physics seem like what we have all been asking for since s1...

ramble ramble...this doesnt seem very appealing 2 me yet...yeah grind collisions, smooth lock-ins...ect..
but 2 me is this something im reallygonna want 2 play the whole time in skate?
i mean im a person that doesnt take 2 change very well and this is a big change we will be taking on...come on we have played the same game for 2yrs and now its gonna change up on all?

i can see myself switching in and out of it....
like if i want 2 make the trick look very unique and throw those aesthetics that hc will offer 2 us then...fucking do it..all the more power 2 make the trick look better...
but do i really wanna spend all day on getting a trick when i can throw this beast back in normal and bang it out in hour or so? and probably look equally the same (minusdetalsthatIdontwannagetinto)...

ramble ramble...im just expressing from my views..
everyone is different and everyspot is different...
2 each his own....

1moreday....

nolan=40....:p

quetonto1

04-01-2010, 09:14 AM

i'll play hc not matter what,

i've always wanted stuff to be hard, gonna be so sick takes ages to get lines with 5050 and 5-0s in haha it'll be awesome

thesignguy

04-01-2010, 09:22 AM

I agree with what head said. Not for me personally (although hard to tell before I get my hands on it for sure) I am anticipating using nothing but HC mode. I try and manipulate current game this way now. Like if I am going to hit something that shutes me up, I croutch first and just release the right stick not flick it to ollie. even if its to do nothing. I just try and think ok in rl what would my body do before and after. Thats just the way I play the game. So I would rather spend a hour in hc mode to make a grind look legit than do it in 5 miutes in normal mode. When I see the final product I remember the feeling I got when I landed it, much like in rl. On top of that, I have tried just about everything I can think of with the curent game to get new creative stuff. Hell I have spent days trying to over crook, right handplant trigger, release button, just to get a double grind look good. I have yet to see a dble grind look good, sorry they just look shitty imo. Having a whole new set of options to exploit is by far the biggest thing I am looking forward to. I could sit here and ramble off 100 things I want to try, and with s2 it was more what new places I want to see/skate.
I think it will mostly appeal to the ultra realistic crowd and the ultra creative crowd. Leaving a majority of the in between to use it a bunch at first, then less as time goes by.

mamba12

04-01-2010, 10:10 AM

If I'm being really real with y'all, i'll have to see just how hard it is before making a decision. but i want to be able to say right now, i'ma do hardcore all the time.

i'm just gonna try and push myself. that's all i've really ever wanted to do with fake skating. besides having fun with friends. but video-wise, hardcore is going to be pushing the boundary past what s2 could offer.

i think with my "style," hardcore is just begging to be played. i'm not super-realistic, but i make a conscious effort not to be unrealistic. If i do go big, i try not to be over-the-top, and if i do something more realistic, i make sure it looks good. Hardcore will add that extra, intangible quality to my skating.

Demzilla

04-01-2010, 10:58 AM

one of the last satisfactions ive gained from normal s2 is wallrides...
there a bitch but there possible...

i want to drive hardcore back through the same process as normal and s2...
start with the basics and work enough to where it sec nature....

i always try to bridge gaps and create possibilities out of nothing...
and in hc i think it will set me back more than the harder stuff i try now...
which isnt really what i want but its what i nkow i will like about the effort...

like sg said..
when i watch a s3 vid and i know its hc...
i will feel great knowing i got it down right...

grind collisions...
what happenes between the trucks and the games reaction to what trick your trying to do on a grind spine.....

jest118

04-01-2010, 12:01 PM

It's just about how you want to play. Both ways are going to be legit and difficult in their own way.

I look at HC as an opportunity to skate realistically.. not to just make it look realistic. It's a way that hopefully it will take my full ability and timing to get a line like N krooks, BS Flip, Sw. Heel Nose. Whereas in normal mode the difficulty comes from intentionally limiting myself to make it look like it was hard to do.

That being said, there's obviously a lot of time and patience that goes into skating realistically as it is right now. It's just a different type of difficulty.

heshfield

04-01-2010, 12:12 PM

Grind collision is going to produce tons of new possibilities in terms of animations and trick combos. Its going to be insane; especially considering the new posture element.

as for thoughts on hardcore mode;
In anticipation of s3, I played OG the other day for nostalgic purposes,..and everything seemed slightly more difficult; getting the right flip trick or grind took more concentration, pop out of grinds was much lower, I didnt find myself getting sucked into ledges and rails, etc.
Im hoping s3's hardcore mode has a similar feel. It would really bring the attention of the gameplay back to basics and new styles would develop.

hardcore mode could give us more control over the skaters momentum because of the reduced grind spline suction--no more inability to do a trick because the game sends you at a nearby ledge. Granted, it will make certain things more difficult, like hitting a handrail perfectly, but at the same time you can hit it exactly where you want to, with patience and concentration--something that really doesnt happen all that well, or very frequently in s2.

I personally cant wait to play the game in hardcore mode. I really want to be able to fake-skate without fighting the game's tendency to help me during certain situations. Not to mention that damn 'auto-pump'.

knexzor

04-01-2010, 12:18 PM

Like bullet mentioned in some thread, the shit I usually try with s2 is hard as it is.
That, however, goes for the most people on fluckit.
The result I guess, is going to be that a fairly 'standard' trick in s2 will be alot more appreciated in hardcore mode s3.

For example, sw flip feeble on a rail in s2 is fairly average in terms of skill
Someone pulling that in hardcore s3 will probably get alot more appreciated by both himself and the viewers...
What I'm trying to say is that I think simpler tricks in s2 will get more attention in s3

(man it's hard trying to translate my fuzzy swedish thougts into understandable english)

sidenote: I'm extremely stoked on seeing demz abuse the hc mode... :eek:

Roccityroller

04-01-2010, 12:34 PM

I think its going to make our scale of whats "awesome" much closer to real life. like knexz said... things that are hard IRL are going to be hard in game. So like tre-flip crook will be like ender material instead of a first try trick.

pawnluvguitarist

04-01-2010, 12:56 PM

I really dont see myself playing anything but hardcore mode....

I've always been into doing really challenging tricks, In the past i've found that through popless, hippy flips, double grinds, ungrindables, bonks ect basically all glitches. It will be nice to have a real challenge on the normal tricks :)

On another note, we all play this game a lot right? How long did it take us in the OG Skate Demo to get basically any trick we wanted on lock? I predict in a couple weeks after Skate 3 drops we will all have gotten used to hardcore mode, it wont feel tedious anymore, it will still be challenging, but it will feel right, and normal mode will feel stupid and will not be played...

About the whole grinding thing on hardcore, thats just going to take practice, eventually I see us all getting very consistent. I know that for myself, back in OG, there was a brief period, maybe a month or so, right before i joined the forums where all I did were ungrindables. And you know what, with practice I got them very consistent, and i cant imagine Hardcore Mode grinds being harder than ungrindables...

Long story short, really looking forward to Hardcore, cant wait to skate a mini. Will be so fun having to pump to gain speed instead of constantly trying to keep the speed under control...

Jack

04-01-2010, 01:55 PM

this conversation is why I love fluckit. Sustained, friendly, intelligent, and detailed when and where it counts. This community is a safe haven.

That being said, I'm definitely using the demo as a test run for hc. When I go pick up my pre-order, I should know how i feel about hc. If I'm in love with it, I may never switch back. If I feel like my game just got kneecapped, I may stay normal. If it seems like each mode has it's benefits, I maybe a half and half kind of guy, chinos and polos by day, switchblades and back alley bettys by night.

The demo, will be all hardcore, because I honestly need something new, I'm having a hell of a time skating S2 right now, at all, because I know hardly anyone cares.

Tell you this much right now, Heckle session at the mega park will regularly be played on normal . . . . while filming sw tail to blunt slides will undoubtedly be in hc.

Skatehead

04-01-2010, 04:15 PM

That being said, I'm definitely using the demo as a test run for hc. When I go pick up my pre-order, I should know how i feel about hc. If I'm in love with it, I may never switch back. If I feel like my game just got kneecapped, I may stay normal. If it seems like each mode has it's benefits, I maybe a half and half kind of guy, chinos and polos by day, switchblades and back alley bettys by night.

jack has a point and i like this...

heshfield

04-01-2010, 04:23 PM

..I honestly need something new, I'm having a hell of a time skating S2 right now, at all, because I know hardly anyone cares.

I couldnt have put it better myself.

ell595

04-01-2010, 04:51 PM

HC will where we film our banger clips. But when we're like 3/4 of the way filming our part and we just wanna get some filler, we'll go back to normal and bang out a stock tricks.

Don't forget, we get just under a month with the demo. I think we'll all be quite accustomed to HC by the time the full drops.

By the way, i'm still looking for a team....... ;)

Gizzler

04-01-2010, 05:36 PM

...i think ill switch to hardcore the moment i start the demo and never go back to anything else. im sure it will take more or less time to get used to it (and im sure i will love exactly this period most) but once im used to hc i can imagine, that switching back to normal mode could feel kind of strange.

for example: right now in s2 im used to the angle i need, to hit a rail in a certain way. in hc mode its probably different somehow. once the approach to a rail in hc mode becomes natural, that would be the way to go, will hopefully look more realistic and be more challenging. why go back to normal mode and fall back to old skate2 habbits? hope you get what i mean....

the other possibilty is, that hc mode is so hard that ill be completely frustrated and switch to easy mode and rip mega ramps all day :cool:

IanJ

04-01-2010, 06:49 PM

I'm gonna start the demo play through once in normal, then go and switch to hc and go from there. Give it equal play at first then decide what I like. Plus I wanna try a 270 to nose blunt.

okami16

04-01-2010, 07:36 PM

Nothin but hardcore mode for me. the way i see it if i see a sick tre to tail on a hand rail in normal mode ill think "aaight, was sick" but if i see it in hardcore mode ill think "BANGIN" .
like heshfield said yeah itll be harder but you get that refined skate experience, that personal touch that makes it a smidget above the medeocre.
defo hardcore.

blackhawk17

04-01-2010, 08:03 PM

ill skate hardcore all day...but as soon as its heckle sesh time, its going to normal. i think thats the only time ill play normal.

schnavolda

04-02-2010, 02:23 AM

for my style of fake skating which i developed over the time of s2, there is no alternative to hardcore mode.

back in og i was more on the arcade side putting out big tricks, speed glitching here and there. now i'm more on the mellow, more realistic side but still have over the top tricks as bangers here and there.

in the last weeks of s2, even if had tricks i was really happy with that looked good and felt good, the sense of accomplishment wasn't really there. even my ender for ambivalence didn't give me that "HOLY FLUCK I DID IT" feeling.

the good about hardcore mode for me is, that even if we all get used to it, it won't get much easier. sure, you know how to approach tricks from experience etc but doing it still requires skill.

HC will where we film our banger clips. But when we're like 3/4 of the way filming our part and we just wanna get some filler, we'll go back to normal and bang out a stock tricks.

i honestly can't see myself doing that. first of all, i don't have clips that i feel are filler material at the point where i make a video and if i really want to have some i can film them in hardcore.

bohemian

04-02-2010, 02:31 AM

you remember the cronenberg movie, crash? it had some nice grind collisions

Tubilakken

04-02-2010, 03:29 AM

I might have missed something here, but is hardcore mode conformed to be in the demo ?

pawnluvguitarist

04-02-2010, 04:21 AM

I might have missed something here, but is hardcore mode conformed to be in the demo ?

Yeah its been confirmed Tubi :)

Mourning Becomes Electra

04-02-2010, 05:51 AM

Once I switch HC on its not getting switched off. It will be the new default.

darthmonkeyman

04-02-2010, 06:38 AM

Hardcore mode all the way for me. And we have to remember we'll be forced to use a dirty watermark if we're on normal. Of course that means nothing to the capture card folks :)
I cant see myself ever switching to normal. Although i wont be mad at anyone using it.

pawnluvguitarist

04-02-2010, 06:49 AM

And we have to remember we'll be forced to use a dirty watermark if we're on normal.

That hasn't been confirmed, Cuz specifically said watermarks on Easy Mode, Normal Mode was never discussed...

darthmonkeyman

04-02-2010, 06:59 AM

That hasn't been confirmed, Cuz specifically said watermarks on Easy Mode, Normal Mode was never discussed...

:confused:
Oh yeah youre right
More than likely then normal players can turn it off

GymAllstar

04-02-2010, 10:50 AM

I am very excited for the new HC mode - I was thinking about the OG SKATE demo and when that came out it felt like you really had to line up your grind and the height of it more than you do now with S2 by far... I want that feeling back and I think HC will make that a reality very shortly for all of us. (let's hope)

One thing that concerns me a little bit though - If there is an Option NOT to have a watermark in Normal and also in HC who is to say what was filmed on either setting? I am not speaking about calling someone out on saying "That looked like normal when you said it was HC!" I want to watch something and KNOW that it was in HC so I can appreciate it for the mode it was done in and Wow-ed by the fact that the skater pulled it off at that rail/spot...

I can just picture people posting videos and stating(HC mode) next to the title and nailing crazy tricks that would be amazing done in HC mode but simply were NOT filmed in HC mode... just saying

schnavolda

04-02-2010, 11:10 AM

I can just picture people posting videos and stating(HC mode) next to the title and nailing crazy tricks that would be amazing done in HC mode but simply were NOT filmed in HC mode... just saying

i didn't want to quote your whole posting but i second everything you said and i have the same concerns.

i hope that hc mode footage is easily distinguishable from normal mode but i don't hang my hopes high there. maybe if we all have some experience with skating and filming in hc we can more easily spot the differences but there should still be something watermark like. at this point only a handful of people knows first hand how hc mode feels and looks like.

i thought about this whole situation yesterday evening when i couldn't sleep and i thought about something along the lines of maybe a different looking vignette or no vignetting at all in hc mode. that could still be avoided with masking and cropping and i could see people doing it just for the sake of growing their e-peens.

this whole problem brings me to a point where i ask myself if i am taking this game too serious. in the end, it shouldn't matter which mode a trick was filmed in, if it is looking good and fulfills its role in the video. but if someone is bragging with it .... and here we are back at the beginning.

long story short: let's just hope that there is some easy to spot visual difference.

thesignguy

04-02-2010, 12:26 PM

sgreen12

04-02-2010, 12:42 PM

im probably gonna stick to hc most of time

schnavolda

04-02-2010, 12:47 PM

maybe i didn't put it into the right words. it is not ok to pretend something is hc if it is not.

if someone films a trick in normal, puts it in a video where also hc clips are used, says it was in normal and it works in the video, it should really be no problem.

i just feel like i'm worrying too much about a game i haven't even played.

GymAllstar

04-02-2010, 12:49 PM

this whole problem brings me to a point where i ask myself if i am taking this game too serious. in the end, it shouldn't matter which mode a trick was filmed in, if it is looking good and fulfills its role in the video. but if someone is bragging with it .... and here we are back at the beginning.

long story short: let's just hope that there is some easy to spot visual difference.

I agree that we should never take Fake Skateboarding and a video game TOO seriously, but in the same thought is the fact that most of us spend a ton on hours skating and filming and perfecting our tricks/lines in order to put together video parts. As I see it, if I spend the time in HC mode to film tricks and put together a part I can be proud of, I want others to KNOW that it was put together in the most difficult mode in the game. And also, when I watch other people's videos I want to see what can be done in HC mode at specific spots or gaps and KNOW that it was done with the HC physics....

So Voldy I do not think it is takin a game too seriously, I see it as coming down to time spent and effort put into a part that you would like recognized as an achievement to yourself and others in the community.

thesignguy

04-02-2010, 12:55 PM

schnavolda

04-02-2010, 12:57 PM

I agree that we should never take Fake Skateboarding and a video game TOO seriously, but in the same thought is the fact that most of us spend a ton on hours skating and filming and perfecting our tricks/lines in order to put together video parts. As I see it, if I spend the time in HC mode to film tricks and put together a part I can be proud of, I want others to KNOW that it was put together in the most difficult mode in the game. And also, when I watch other people's videos I want to see what can be done in HC mode at specific spots or gaps and KNOW that it was done with the HC physics....

So Voldy I do not think it is takin a game too seriously, I see it as coming down to time spent and effort put into a part that you would like recognized as an achievement to yourself and others in the community.

i never wanted to say that anyone here is taking the game too serious. that is as far from it as it could be. i'm really sorry if it sounded like that. i was only talking about myself. i myself take this game very serious, sometimes too much as it would be good for me and i really want the dedication everybody puts into it to show. that's why i wish for a way too clearly see what mode everything was filmed in.

sorry again if i offended someone.

pawnluvguitarist

04-02-2010, 01:34 PM

On another note, whats wrong with taking the game seriously? or "too" seriously?

I take just as much pride and put in just as much effort in my fake skateboarding as my RL skating or my music. Art is art, expressing your creativity, doesn't really matter what your medium of choice is, does it? Not to me at least...

Gizzler

04-02-2010, 03:45 PM

...what you said, pawn!!! dont see a real difference, between being good at fake skating or being a good violin player for example....its all about gettiing used to the "musical instrument" your playing and expessing yourself just doing it. as long as you like what you are doing, its all fine, i think...

personally, i wont care if someone brings out a great vid, that has all been filmed in easy mode but is a great watch....

i know how much time it took for me, an "old man", to get finally the results i was seeking for from the beginning (and im still learning) ...and im sure there will be incredible demo-vids just after demo-release................i will turn to hc mode and eat lots of concrete, just because i like it so much....its all my personal flavour...and i hope there will be lots of different flavs!!!!

Jack

04-02-2010, 07:20 PM

. Art is art, expressing your creativity, doesn't really matter what your medium of choice is, does it? Not to me at least...

Pawn . . . I think I love you.

Schnav, Gym, this game is something that we all love. There is no "too much love" unless you just lost your job because you can't turn the box off.

As long as we're all paying bills and holding down our personal lives, nobody can tell me what to do with my free time.

HC mode could be a divisive feature. I see it wrecking serious havoc at the kid's table and at skatethis.

What I hope, is that fluckit steers clear of any bullshit. These are the dudes, the men, this is the place.

If I see a full Bullet part set to mickey mouse music and it's in easy mode, I'm still going to watch it, and if it's sick, I'll give the man his proper dues.

We have to hold our selves to our own standards without holding anyone else to them.

I know a lot of us already put in work to get our tricks. I can't tell you how many times I've been chilling with Stevland, listening to him drink his way through 90 minutes of skinny to slanted skinny gap war.

For me, wallriding up the darkness started in Sept 2009, and when I got it I shit myself, and walked around town like a proud papi.

If HC gives me that feeling on every trick, I will love it and hate at the same time.

We have to hold our selves to our own standards without holding anyone else to them.

Fluckit unite.

jest118

04-03-2010, 12:20 AM

Let me preface this by saying... I'm buzzing a bit right now.

I kind of thought there would be some issues around mixing clips and such. I mean I remember "the kids table" when Realistic vs. Non-Realistic came up and it was pretty harsh.

I can definitely see another war brewing between HC and Non-HC. In that light, I definitely side with Jack. To each their own, you know?

It's like.. every direction that one could choose to take.. has it's own merits and difficulties. I mean.. it's like Street vs. Tranny back in the late 90's early 2k. Everyone just needs to recognize that each have their merits n shit.

I can't say that I'll watch every vid of every style and all that. I'll definitely have a preference. But that doesn't mean I gotta hate on Smithy B because he doesn't ride my style. He's gonna do him, I'm gonna do me, and hopefully.. we can recognize that and be chill.

Hopefully what I'm saying here relates to the thread and isn't just me trippin off my drank.

OsiRHIS

04-03-2010, 01:58 AM

See...I like this place for this reason...no one takes themselves too seriously here. Yay Fluckit!

On topic:
I want to approach HC like I approached the OG Skate demo...and take time to learn individual tricks. I remember spending hours the first couple of days the demo was out just learning how to do noseslides and tailslides consistently.

I want to have that same experience again...as well as develop my own sense of style and grace. HC opens the doors for that.

As to more recent comments, drama will always exist amongst the core of this game's community. Fortunately, all that drama is all over at the main EA forums. It's a breath of fresh air here.

Jakeblueisballin

04-03-2010, 06:36 PM

HC is hyping me up so much.
Just imagine,
someone comes out with a part. It's UNREALISTIC. But done in HC? Do I give them hella props? Definitely.
I feel like no matter how YOU skate in HC, it's going to be gnarly as fuck.
I know I'm going to use the hell out of the new features,
Darkslides, underflips, perfectly combined animations.
My first Skate 3 demo solo will contain some realistic darkslides and maybe an underflip or two.
I just can't wait for S3.
It's going to replace MW2 for good :)

darthmonkeyman

04-04-2010, 02:39 AM

Great discussion here.
I think its all down to personal preference with regards to hc/ non-hc. If someone puts out a great solo or part on normal im not gonna mind, actually im probably going to like their non-conformity. If hc doesnt match with their style well thats okay.
As for people pretending to skate hc... we'll let the kids table worry about that.

On a different note i think id like to see a pawn and skatevid gaps video on easy mode... :)

BladderBoy

04-07-2010, 12:56 AM

I appreciate you guys keeping me engaged though 43 posts - that was very thoughtful and honest. Thanks.

It's HC for me, 99.9999% of the time*. Not because of the the way the tricks look, or for the bragging rights. I care more about the way the game plays. It will be more challenging, but more intuitive. THAT'S my reward. Bragging rights and smooth videos are the bonus. Can't wait.

*.0009% accounts for when I need to score 500,000 points on the XGames mega ramp to unlock the final CAP warehouse hidden on the other side. I'll fucking button mash my way in AND out of a triple backflip coffin on easy, no worries.

xLuke

04-14-2010, 09:25 AM

I'll skate hc mode constantly, I don't put out parts or anything because I don't see the point in putting in loads of effort to get about 10 views... I play skate because I like it and if hc mode means that the game will give me a new challenge then I'm all up for it :)

schnavolda

04-14-2010, 09:32 AM

xLuke

04-14-2010, 10:20 AM

if you play the game and do cool stuff why not just film it. the editing is the smallest part of a video. :)

oh i do, i had loads of clips on my old hdd a while back, i just dont see the point in making a vid if nobody watches it. when ive got some time to spare, i might put something together :)

tehwoot

04-14-2010, 03:37 PM

prob just starting on Hardcore and keeping it that way... but then again who the fuck knows. Skate 2 was to easy, lets hope HC is how they say.

yellowsnow

04-14-2010, 05:02 PM

i think overall hardcore mode will make basic gameplay much more difficult, but i think it could make some things easier too.

for example, hurricanes, the only reason hurricanes take few a tries now is cause you have to fight the physics from locking the front truck down. If hardcore mode has less grind magnetism it will reward player accuracy and not force us to overcompensate to fight the physics. The trick might actually be easier in a way.

if this is true ^... i think everyone will play in hardcore mode all the time then.

Dusky

04-16-2010, 06:44 AM

Hardcore mode really isn't as fun as I thought it would be. The no grind suction sucks ass. It's just to hard to do a decent grind now. I jumped in between two rails which were only like 2 feet apart from each other. Also, it's almost impossible now to do a fun line.

schnavolda

04-16-2010, 07:14 AM

Also, it's almost impossible now to do a fun line.

a lot harder? yes.
impossible? no.

for me, hardcore is exactly what the series needed. so much more control over everything and it just feels right.

i mean what do people expect? the demo is out for like 30 hours at least and so many people are saying hc is too hard. ever heard of learning curve? think back to the og demo, it took weeks to learn everything. now everybody (who has not skated ungrindables a lot) needs to relearn grinds. and you can always switch back to easycore.

yellowsnow

04-16-2010, 10:14 AM

i remember thinking that the physics on the OG demo were impossible.

A month from now when the full game comes out we'll all be a lot better.

Dusky

04-16-2010, 10:29 AM

so much more control over everything

What do you mean by that? Over what do you have more control? The controls are exactly the same, only the outcome is different and therefore a lot harder.

schnavolda

04-16-2010, 12:32 PM

What do you mean by that? Over what do you have more control? The controls are exactly the same, only the outcome is different and therefore a lot harder.

more control over ..

.. speed
.. approach
.. grinds (especially without rail magnetism)
.. not grinding (landing in manuals and not grinds or going up stuff when i want to)

sure, the control scheme is the same but what you can do with it isn't.

AceMcCloud

04-16-2010, 12:48 PM

I personally like being able to do exactly what I want, when I want during a line. HC mode can make this rather difficult at times where it's tricky to just get onto a rail/ledge the right way. That can really put a damper on the rest of the line I've thought up, considering that one trick is so harsh. Also, when ya'll are filming lines and what not, it's easy to play Normal and just not pop as high and things of that nature. But you already knew thaat.

Oh and, http://skate.ea.com/gallery#searchType=AUTHOR&query=acemccl0ud&slice=search&galleryType=ALL&subType=VIDEO&contentType=SKATE_REEL_DEMO&filter=ALLTIME&itemId=9998

okami16

04-16-2010, 01:35 PM

HC is everything i excpexted. Learning curve is exactly what i wanted it to be like.
we'll all master it eventually so dont write it off if you cant grind a ledge on your first try, and if you dont like it ... switch back to s2 mode... That simple.

what i do think is a bit harsh is the watermark. a touch humilliating, no?

Amp Game

04-17-2010, 04:29 AM

Loving HC mode. Feels like sakting, also love that fact i can manny a bench with out the grind lock.

Also love the low pops off rails, hated throwing in a shuv off a rail that popped 2 foot above it.

I think the new videos will look good, especially when someone has a run of a few tricks and getting to the next part of there line throws in a Tre or 360 HF on the flat you know thats squeeky bum time and there sakting with some confidence.

Still finding those tres etc hard to pull on the flat, have to pop them so fact and accurate ! Love it !

Agree though with the demo area too many wide open spaces.

ske

04-17-2010, 05:52 AM

Not 100% impressed to be honest...

++ Low pop out of grinds and manuals
++ No grind suction from the top of ledges

-- Can't do low 3s on flat anymore
-- Still easy to do ridiculous tricks out of grinds and manuals
-- Fully popped tricks are still way too high

schnavolda

04-18-2010, 01:26 AM

i so hope for a clearly visible and easy to spot difference between hardcore and normal footage.

at this point, i don't have the eye yet to see a difference, because normal can look a lot like hardcore if done right, but it still is a lot easier to pull everything off. especially in lines, you can see if grinds are all too perfect locked and there is no loss of speed at all even without pushing, especially after grinds.

i've seen footage already where i was like "this is no way hc", although people said it was.

robley

04-18-2010, 02:00 AM

this is fun and i like it. i'm a little bored of the mostly empty area. i just have to get used to the object dropper, because i rarely used the movables in 2. i'm lazy what do you expect. i'm a little bummed on the lack of advanced cams and CAS but i completely understand why they didn't give it to us. same way drug dealers keep customers. the girl's gnar style is awesome except that she's a girl and all but two are bad at skateboarding and it's so UNREALISTIC.