Bf3<>mw3

[Antwan]

Sibling Rivalry Behold!

Keep it legal gentlemen.

this thing kind've turned into a discussion via chatbox here's my view;;

I've played the BF3 beta sure It was fun but I don't see it as being better.. they are two different games by two different companies.. Battlefield is known for what call of duty is not..
However call of duty is a respectable franchise reguardless of skill or player count or even features and if it is true that BF3 is somehow better;
then call of duty is doing great to be a sucky game.

What is luck without the good the bad and the ugly internet connections??
Nothing.. I believe.

[SK8ERatWAR]

Well first of all, the beta wasn't too representative for the actual full game. Many things have changed and guns have been balanced and nerfed.
It's not that mw3 isn't good. I think it's just boring, I had fun playing mw2 for a couple of months, but after that it was boring, same with black ops.
And I already talked to people about it and it feels more like a expansion to mw2 than that it is a new full game. And that's just not worth buying for me, because I'm already bored with it.
But that's my meaning, people that aren't bored with mw2 and black ops will certainly love mw3.

[madsser]

pfff halo...

[Antwan]

So you're going on someone else's opinion?
Every game is an expansion of the last one if the game is a series.. right?
What did you honestly expect Modern Warfare 3 would have that it doesn't.. Vehicles?

[Roke]

When does GTA 5 come out?

[Seanne1986]

For you Roke?.. never.

Imo I got bored of CoD after CoD4. CoD4 is still a great game if played on promod servers on pc imo.
Like sk8eratwar said, mw2 only lasted for a couple of month's for me as well. blops like 3-4 month's.

And after seeing this video of MP, I have made my mind not buying it. Because mw2 was utter garbage and this looks like an exact copy of mw2 but with new weapons, 1 new gamemode that I know of (kill confirmed or whatever) and maps. Nothing else is new.
It looks the same, sounds the same, plays the same. And I bet mw3 has no server browser but matchmaking just like mw2 on pc which was one of the biggest turn off I had with the game.
And don't get me started on killstreaks. Because that is the dumbest shit ever put into a video game. Hence why I played promod on pc which doesn't have killstreaks as well as some other features.

I'm not a fanboy of Battlefield (I hate any kind of fanboys.. even BF fanboys) but it does give me something I enjoy. Sure 6 of the currently 9 maps are absolutely horrible and doesn't resemble what BF really is at all.. But the bf2 maps that will come in december for BF3 are 4 of my favourite maps from bf2. And when they are released, I will be playing them maps like an idiot.

What I really hope (but doubt) is that DICE release modtools for BF3. Because the community during BF2 made some awesome mods and maps for that game. Sure they might not be as good looking as DICE's maps.. but they sure are better when it comes to gameplay.


What did you honestly expect Modern Warfare 3 would have that it doesn't.. Vehicles?
I would've atleast expected a new game engine, or atleast an updated one. Sure don't fix what isn't broken. But using the same game engine as CoD4 which is 5 years old, is a little lazy in my honest opinion.


Although I enjoy BF3 atm, even if it still feels like a beta. I think it would turn out bloody fantastic if EA allowed DICE to release BF3 in december instead of october, just so EA could beat Activision's mw3 release. But since EA did that, DICE didn't have enough time to perfect it. Hence making it feel like a shitty beta.

God sake even the Back to Karkand dlc for BF3 will have enhanced destruction. That says alot that DICE wasn't given enough time by EA to develope their game.


Fuck you EA I'd say.

Now gimme Skyrim and GTAV!!

[SK8ERatWAR]

seanne basically gave my answer.
I would've atleast expected a new game engine, or atleast an updated one. Sure don't fix what isn't broken. But using the same game engine as CoD4 which is 5 years old, is a little lazy in my honest opinion. I'm going on my own view of how the game looks and plays, on comments from other people yeah, and how my experience with all cod's was.

[replicant]

Red Velvet Cupcakes with Cream Cheese Frosting

Ingredients:
2 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
1 1/2 cups sugar
1 teaspoon baking soda
1 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon cocoa powder
1 1/2 cups vegetable oil
1 cup buttermilk, room temperature
2 large eggs, room temperature
2 tablespoons red food coloring
1 teaspoon white distilled vinegar
1 teaspoon vanilla extract

For the Cream Cheese Frosting:
1 pound cream cheese, softened
2 sticks butter, softened
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
4 cups sifted confectioners' sugar
Chopped pecans and fresh raspberries or strawberries, for garnish

Directions
Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F. Line 2 (12-cup) muffin pans with cupcake papers.

In a medium mixing bowl, sift together the flour, sugar, baking soda, salt, and cocoa powder. In a large bowl gently beat together the oil, buttermilk, eggs, food coloring, vinegar, and vanilla with a handheld electric mixer. Add the sifted dry ingredients to the wet and mix until smooth and thoroughly combined.

Divide the batter evenly among the cupcake tins about 2/3 filled. Bake in oven for about 20 to 22 minutes, turning the pans once, half way through. Test the cupcakes with a toothpick for doneness. Remove from oven and cool completely before frosting.


For the Cream Cheese Frosting:

In a large mixing bowl, beat the cream cheese, butter and vanilla together until smooth. Add the sugar and on low speed, beat until incorporated. Increase the speed to high and mix until very light and fluffy.

Garnish with chopped pecans and a fresh raspberry or strawberry.

Cook's Note: Frost the cupcakes with a butter knife or pipe it on with a big star tip.

[SK8ERatWAR]

<3 cupcakes, thanks for the recipe rep =D

[Antwan]

Honestly I wasn't a huge MW2 fan myself at first, but then call of duty black ops came out
and I watched my multiplayer experience slowly slump because of server connections or something like that.. Went back to MW2 once in a while and fucking hounded on people.. just no mercy in having fun.
Black Ops was a different game that I just couldn't get too far into because of connection issues.. zombies was OK when it WORKED and decent campaign.. but overall It left a bad taste in my mouth.
Everytime I seem to fail in MW2 it's not because of some connection issue it's because somebody else was on it and I missed it.. I was slacking or not looking every direction before crossing the intersections.

[Granka]

Never cared about COD, never got into it. But I respect the people who play it, no rivalry for me. I got into BF3 through the beta and I thought it was a really fun game so I pre-ordered the game. Now I've been playing it, really good times killing people over Xbox Live :D

[bengrover]

Glad I let my lil' bro buy this MW3 shit and I didn't fork out £45.

It is just MW2 with a MW2, BLOPS and couple new guns (Can't believe they didn't include an Intervention. Never a fan myself, but that was so popular in MW2 seems dumb to not bring it back). Couple of new kill streaks and game modes. Handful of new features (kill streaks carry on after death, defeats the object of a kill streak surely?). And new maps.

Just played an hour of campaign. That sucks too. New York and London do look pretty sick, but the concept and 'story' element seem pretty dull.

Doesn't seem like you get much for £45, and they want people to dish out another £30 for this 'elite' feature?! Don't understand it, but seems like you get maps earlier or something?

Never got into BF2, bring on Assassins Creed and Saints Row for the lulzzzzzz.

[MarcoPoloUSN]

First. Neither one of the games are bad.

This is all about preference in my opinion. Two games, two styles. I don't have to explain the styles. We know what these games are about. YOU have to find what fits for YOU. To be reliant on other peoples' opinions is just poor judgement. Yes, mw3 looks like mw2, but what else is it suppossed to look like? A Call of Duty franchise game is going to look like a Call of Duty franchise game.

[madsser]

I didn't pick MW3 up because, and there's only one damn reason to this.
I'm a PC gamer at heart. And Activision doesn't give a damn about PC gamers.

FPS capped at 90(I mean what the fuck!?!)
no console, that means no way to edit ANYTHING in the game(CoD4<3)
FOV stuck @65. (MY EYES! MY EYES!!!)

(btw, I'm also a competitive gamer)
Anything else can be found in here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bVceSSNiMg

[MarcoPoloUSN]

BF3 sold 5 mil the first week: http://bf3blog.com/2011/11/battlefield-3-xbox-360-sales-top-playstation-3-and-pc-combined/

its been the fastest selling game for EA.
i dont see how this really contributes to the discussion but its just a little fun fact.

[bengrover]

First. Neither one of the games are bad.

This is all about preference in my opinion. Two games, two styles. I don't have to explain the styles. We know what these games are about. YOU have to find what fits for YOU. To be reliant on other peoples' opinions is just poor judgement. Yes, mw3 looks like mw2, but what else is it suppossed to look like? A Call of Duty franchise game is going to look like a Call of Duty franchise game.

Completely get where your coming from. My brother won't stop raving about how amazing it is and so much better than MW2.

And yes, its the next in line from MW2, so it would obviously have some similarities. But it all feels a bit too similar to me. Like look at MW then MW2. It feels like the next installment, but completely different. And then MW2 to MW3.

Never got majorly into the COD series, but I did play on the regular solely because all my mates did. Maybe I'm missing something, and it's just not my cup of tea.

[BeatChemist]

They're just different experiences. MW is more "fun" if you want to jump into games and shoot people in the face. The killstreaks and all that jazz are just that: fun.

BF3 is much more of a battle sim. You aren't gonna be sprinting around the map runnin'and'gunnin... It's more strategic and soooooo much more fun when playing with friends in your squad. I just played last night with Roc and Perm, and I had a blast. Most fun I ever had with BF.

I told myself I was going to switch over to BF3 and not get MW3... but I picked it up today and am installing it now. I am stoked to play. I just want to shoot some peeps in the face!!! lol

[Roccityroller]

Tony Hawk Vs. EA Skate.

Jus sayinnnnn'

[replicant]

Tony Hawk Vs. EA Skate.

Jus sayinnnnn'
Dude, Tony Hawk 2012 is going to be the shit. I hear they completely ripped off the Flickit system and even let you use controllers again. :p

[mamba12]

You aren't gonna be sprinting around the map runnin'and'gunnin... It's more strategic

So that's why i suck at it!

And now to really contribute something to this thread - SKRYIM PWNS ALL!!!!11!!1!! omgwtfbbqlolzorz

[Seanne1986]

Dude, Tony Hawk 2012 is going to be the shit. I hear they completely ripped off the Flickit system and even let you use controllers again. :p

Still gonna be an arcadish game, like always. I tend to dislike that.

[madsser]

SKRYIM PWNS ALL!!!!11!!1!! omgwtfbbqlolzorz

pff halo

[Permy]

always going to pick battlefield over cod
le always
i like me some realism when i fakekill people
AND playing with bros online is the fun
mack/momadaddy/south/magic/shady4coon<3 (and everyone else

I've never got into the cod games, had cod 3 didn't care for it, can't be bothered

where the fuck is my GTA V


OH and Alan Wake sequel announcement at Spike TV VGA's
I'M DRIPPING :3

[Slamooh]

Still gonna be an arcadish game, like always. I tend to dislike that.

Skate 3 is an arcade game too

[Antwan]

Battle Sim? lol
Smart person throws flashbang and rushes at close range
I was running and gunning in the BF3 Beta I think we lost like one match?

[Seanne1986]

Skate 3 is an arcade game too

True. But Skate is far more realistic than any other Tony Hawk game.

[bengrover]

MW3 campaign sucks major penis.

Played 4 and half hours now. The way the story goes, you think your at the end. Turns out I'm 48% complete. Takes the piss. I like a long campaign in games, if every 'level' isn't a chore and brings something new. But no, every location, find someone, or get to the LZ and shoot your way out. Doesn't even seem like there is any strategy, besides hide behind a barricade and pop up every now and again.

Other COD's had little bit's in between to break up the story, and tell more about it. Like the Airport one in MW2 for example. And there isn't anything other than shoot your way through a village to find Makrov, and then miss him by seconds, every mother fucking time.

God I hate this game, but I gotta finish it.

[Roccityroller]

Battle Sim? lol
Smart person throws flashbang and rushes at close range
I was running and gunning in the BF3 Beta I think we lost like one match?

Beta was free to all.

COD crowd, waiting for ttheir new game, flooded the open beta. Closed beta, that shit didn't fly.
Beta map had no vehicles, no air support, and did a piss poor job of keeping squads together when entering games.
Op Metro is probably one of the only maps you can think about run and gunning on.
and i'd still like to see how you run and gun'd the first base.


case study. played bc2 for awhile. lvl 0 - ~10 (about 1.5 months of solid play time)
went to play some blops. 35-2 first game. It's THAT easy.
I still don't have a positive K/D in BF3... but i have a W/L of 1.68.

[MarcoPoloUSN]

Wow ben.

Is it that ruthlessly terrible...?
Or does the trendy anti-cod commentary have an influence...?

Just asking. I mean its whatever. PERSONALLY, after playing BC2 for a few more days... and getting used to it... IDK. I think I may fall more on the Battlefield end... in the future. All I've been saying, and I'll say it again... I enjoy both games for what they are. I think that can be pretty fun; adapting to each game.

[bengrover]

Wow ben.

Is it that ruthlessly terrible...?

I honestly think so. I keep expecting something different, but it's just the same. One mission starts off on a plane, figured it would be different. Nope, onslaught of enemies, kill em, find the president of Russia, mission done. Too repetitive, too boring.

[MarcoPoloUSN]

I honestly think so. I keep expecting something different, but it's just the same. One mission starts off on a plane, figured it would be different. Nope, onslaught of enemies, kill em, find the president of Russia, mission done. Too repetitive, too boring.

alrighty then. iry anyway. :p



bitch.

[BeatChemist]

this just in. MW has the WORST FUCKING PLAYERS. The game is fun a fuck. As long as you don't have fucks that exploit every little aspect of the game to dominate.

BF3 is much more insulated against this type of player.

[Monk]

my KDR blows goats in bf3 right now- but im running with the objectives and getting points that way... I kinda started out as lone wolf running around trying to frag ppl but it bit me in the ass early on in the game but im slowly getting my KDR back up. w/l is about 1.4 ish. but the funny thing about running the objectives and using your squad to attack and defend the right way i can have 1 kill and 9 deaths and still be top 3-5 on my team with points just for playing the roles. sure wish i could use a mouse on the xbox tho, cuz i cant aim worth a shit with controller lol.

[madsser]

sure wish i could use a mouse on the xbox tho, cuz i cant aim worth a shit with controller lol.

Get it for PC?
Better graphics, mouse and keyboard. There's nothing to dislike?

[Monk]

Get it for PC?
Better graphics, mouse and keyboard. There's nothing to dislike?
im working on building a gaming rig right now- my laptop ive had for 2 years cant even begin to handle bf3 on lo settings. 2-3 months i should be done with it- i might swap over ; but ultimatly i will most likely be getting skyrim for pc- because i just can not play elder scrolls on a console; EVER!

[replicant]

this just in. MW has the WORST FUCKING PLAYERS. The game is fun a fuck. As long as you don't have fucks that exploit every little aspect of the game to dominate.

BF3 is much more insulated against this type of player.
I have a friend who plays BF3 simply because of the players compared to the COD crowd.
He got called a "Nigger Faggot" too many times and refuses to ever play a COD game again. :)

[Seanne1986]

I have a friend who plays BF3 simply because of the players compared to the COD crowd.
He got called a "Nigger Faggot" too many times and refuses to ever play a COD game again. :)

Aother reason why I don't play CoD any longer.
More or less always when I joined a random game on blops, I hear people shouting, screaming, swearing, thinking they're so damn awesome that they have to talk trash to everyone etc etc.

I can't stand CoD players these days.

[madsser]

Aother reason why I don't play CoD any longer.
More or less always when I joined a random game on blops, I hear people shouting, screaming, swearing, thinking they're so damn awesome that they have to talk trash to everyone etc etc.

I can't stand CoD players these days.

that's why there's a mute option...*bleepbloop*
no more shouting kids calling you a stinky faggot.

But I do agree. It seems that Battlefield have a more mature audience. I don't know how that is. Possibly because "kids" just want to run around and shoot at people, where in Battlefield, it takes a certain amount of patience if you want to be successful.
You're not going to see someone get like 50-2 in Battlefield most of the time. And that's why I like it. One person can't win the entire game for your team. You have to work together to win. And with that, I think that the "kids" fall off the wagon. Because no one want's to work together with a 9 year old kid telling you that you can suck his dick, whilst he's calling you a fag.

Battlefield 3 = Nicer people. :D

[Antwan]

Exploits eventually get patched..
Helps the game take shape to have them noticed.
Even then it depends how you define an exploit right?
Spawn trapping is a tactic.. I remember MW2 being a little bit better about spawns than black ops.
Can't put your head down and expect to excel while playing battlefield you can spawn way back and come in hot having taken your time.
That's just one reference not saying that is why you hate COD
but if you put in a mic what do you expect to hear?
I don't think I've heard helpful communication in any call of duty game.
I liked Ghost Recon for that aspect though had to say that was a nice change of pace
almost everyone in that game was focused on the objective and called out enemy locations.

[Seanne1986]

that's why there's a mute option...*bleepbloop*
no more shouting kids calling you a stinky faggot.

But I do agree. It seems that Battlefield have a more mature audience. I don't know how that is. Possibly because "kids" just want to run around and shoot at people, where in Battlefield, it takes a certain amount of patience if you want to be successful.
You're not going to see someone get like 50-2 in Battlefield most of the time. And that's why I like it. One person can't win the entire game for your team. You have to work together to win. And with that, I think that the "kids" fall off the wagon. Because no one want's to work together with a 9 year old kid telling you that you can suck his dick, whilst he's calling you a fag.

Battlefield 3 = Nicer people. :D

I haven't gotten 50-2... but I got yesterday 55-15 on operation metro conquest 64 lol. Rocket spam from the start of the escalator in the tunnel, to the roof behind the wall of each side of the escalator. Got many many kills that way :P
Such an aweful grind fest map...

[BeatChemist]

Also... MW3 is going to be bad right now because all the hardcore headz are playing with their friends trying to level up quickly = more of these kinds of dominant groups running (ruining?) a whole game.

The comment about no 50-2 games in BF3 is bang on. It's not about kills. I often have negative k/d but still am leading my team. And I couldn't care any less about that.

BF3 is painfully slow to unlock new gear though... I'm already having fun with new guns/perks/etc in MW3...

Different games for different moods...

[Seanne1986]

It ain't that slow. Sure I've played so far 45h of BF3 and I'm rank 31. But I'm having so much fun, that the fun outweighs the grind for unlocks.
And yeah.. I actually wish DICE removed KD on battlelog. It makes some people forget about the objective and just wanna go one man army instead. Sure they can do that, as long they're not on my team.

[MackBoogie]

I have no hate for CoD games...If i could play COD 4 right now without hackers i would...

I bought BF3 because i knew i would have fun with it and i only had money for one game....Seeing as MW was going to be exactly the same (online and offline) i didnt think my money was gonna be well spent on CoD

Plus online has turned into a bunch of silly bullshit for CoD since WaW...Fucking RcXd's and deathstreaks and all this other uncontrollable, Russian Roulette type of shit...i would be paying 60 dollars to just be angry

[PoppySquidJr]

For me it isn't the games, it's the community. I've experience far more abuse, hacks, cheap shots, and annoying mic people on CoD than Battlefield, and thus I prefer Battlefield. Either way, I'm getting neither. I'm not huge into shooters, and my "games I want" list is backed up with WAY more games on higher priority. :P

[Roccityroller]

call of duty is only fun when i'm baked out of my face.

and even then... blops combat training against the computer would suffice.

Edit... that being said, i MIGGGHT play blops tonight. prolly not tho cuz i think BF would be fun like that too.

[Ruben_Williams]

BF3 for me . . . I's much more rewarding when you shoot someone at long distance with ur AR. . . I'm slowly getting better too improving my KDR yet still playing the objective of course.
I will get Cod after the hype dies down but I dont think I'm missing much atm

[Antwan]

Well I guess all I can say in reading is
Call of Duty isn't a one way game, even if it feels that way or people you get matched up with play the same as the last.. everyone has to adjust.. it is close quarters a majority of the time and if the fact that a player runs and then stops to shoot at you means you dislike it, yeah, you're better off not playing it.
That's all running and gunning is.. they have real tactics like this.. infiltration methods, flanking.
I think people are just bitter about losing to a 12 year old.
New area to explore with the fundamentals already supplied.. the rest is adapting..
Just like street skating.. if you don't find fun in the game clearly that's ok but I don't think people have the tolerance level to figure certain things out in call of duty so they throw it out the window.

[replicant]

Well I guess all I can say in reading is
Call of Duty isn't a one way game, even if it feels that way or people you get matched up with play the same as the last.. everyone has to adjust.. it is close quarters a majority of the time and if the fact that a player runs and then stops to shoot at you means you dislike it, yeah, you're better off not playing it.
That's all running and gunning is.. they have real tactics like this.. infiltration methods, flanking.
I think people are just bitter about losing to a 12 year old.
New area to explore with the fundamentals already supplied.. the rest is adapting..
Just like street skating.. if you don't find fun in the game clearly that's ok but I don't think people have the tolerance level to figure certain things out in call of duty so they throw it out the window.
I sincerely agree that Counter Strike is a better game than all of these other shitty FPS titles.

[Antwan]

I dig counter strike for sure..
Can't wait for the new one! Cross Platform Dude.
I may get back into pc gaming for a bit while I'm here no console in sight..
I'll have to dig up my steam and xfire names.

[madsser]

There's the same bus from crossfire from CoD4 like 80 times over all the maps.

+ I saw the same bus that were in Scrapyard in MW2 like 5 times in a single map.

Come on Infinity Ward......How hard is it to create a new design for the fucking stuff!?!

[Antwan]

It's the MW2 Throwback pack yo gotta pay for them new looks

[replicant]

I dig counter strike for sure..
Can't wait for the new one! Cross Platform Dude.
I may get back into pc gaming for a bit while I'm here no console in sight..
I'll have to dig up my steam and xfire names.CS:GO should be interesting. While it is just another rehash of CS (and not really anything new), I like the cross-platform aspect. Although, it will be interesting to see how well pad players can compete with board/mouse users. The only real issue now is people pissing and moaning about it just like they did when we migrated from CS 1.6 to CS:Source. While the graphic update is nice I do hope the hit boxes aren't as fucked as CS:S was at launch. New maps will be welcome since it will still have the 7 original maps and the new fake weapons I dig. Toss a fake grenade and run in blazing while bitches are diving away.

[Antwan]

Right lol..
Pray n Spray on Source..
I didn't play much Source
but I own every CS Version
I liked 1.6 and condition zero was pretty fun once in a while.

[Seanne1986]

Right lol..
Pray n Spray on Source..
I didn't play much Source
but I own every CS Version
I liked 1.6 and condition zero was pretty fun once in a while.

1.5 ftw. Screw the shield etc in 1.6, and Source was garbage.

[Ruben_Williams]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5dsOn06w1s

[madsser]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5dsOn06w1s

Saw that too in a mw3 com earlier..

what the fuck. did they think we weren't going to notice it?!

[Ruben_Williams]

Some people call it an "Easter Egg" . . . I call it lazy game design

[Permy]

Some people call it an "Easter Egg" . . . I call it lazy game design

this

[Deacon]

Never played any of the CS games as I don't like playing with a mouse and keyboard. Kinda wish I did as there are some sick looking games out there on PC. In general I like FPS with Rainbow 6 Vegas 1 and 2 being my favs, followed closely by Medal of Honor and Brothers in Arms. So stoked about the Rainbow Six Patriots game coming next year some time.

In relaiton to the topic. I bought MW3 and BF3. I liked the campaign on MW3 as rounded off the story that started in COD4 quite nicely. Price going off on one, and making it personal was cool.
Nothing ground breaking about the game, but I liked it. Loved the sub level and the plane level, enjoyed the last one too. I have always liked the campaigns in all the cod games tbh.

The online hate it with a passion, always have. I liked COD4 onlien but as someone else said hackers ruined it. COD2 online is still good though. Only COD game mode I liked was Barebones on BLOPS. No kills steaks, not attachments, no perks. Bingo - Player skill versus player skill.

BF3 is fast becoming my fav online shooter. I'm totally addicted to Rush and Team Deathmatch games, and I think I can honestly say I like each map. Metro is a personal fav as is Seine Crossing and Theran highway.
BF3 campaign was good too, though the end could have been better tbh.

In terms of what is better, well that down to personal preference. My preference is BF3 all the way.

[Seanne1986]

Never played any of the CS games as I don't like playing with a mouse and keyboard. Kinda wish I did as there are some sick looking games out there on PC. In general I like FPS with Rainbow 6 Vegas 1 and 2 being my favs, followed closely by Medal of Honor and Brothers in Arms. So stoked about the Rainbow Six Patriots game coming next year some time.

In relaiton to the topic. I bought MW3 and BF3. I liked the campaign on MW3 as rounded off the story that started in COD4 quite nicely. Price going off on one, and making it personal was cool.
Nothing ground breaking about the game, but I liked it. Loved the sub level and the plane level, enjoyed the last one too. I have always liked the campaigns in all the cod games tbh.

The online hate it with a passion, always have. I liked COD4 onlien but as someone else said hackers ruined it. COD2 online is still good though. Only COD game mode I liked was Barebones on BLOPS. No kills steaks, not attachments, no perks. Bingo - Player skill versus player skill.

BF3 is fast becoming my fav online shooter. I'm totally addicted to Rush and Team Deathmatch games, and I think I can honestly say I like each map. Metro is a personal fav as is Seine Crossing and Theran highway.
BF3 campaign was good too, though the end could have been better tbh.

In terms of what is better, well that down to personal preference. My preference is BF3 all the way.

3 of my most hated maps :P
I absolutely hate narrow maps with corridors etc. Highway is okish.. but I expected an urban map like that to be 3 times bigger before I got to play it.
Metro is god aweful, and does not represent what BF is at all. Seine Crossing feels like a Medal of Honor map, and it's horrible if you wanna flank the enemy. You are more or less forced to face them head on.. This guys sig on the eu uk forums pretty much sums up what I mean.
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1482/failedmapdesign2sig175.jpg

[Antwan]

My guess is all new PC Shooters will be on console too if Counter strike is a success I can see others following.. Counter strike was what gave black ops gun game it's a variant on there..
Counter strike has so many modded servers I'm just hyped to see if we get to play anyone's server
It would be like having multiple shooters on one disc.

[MarcoPoloUSN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0&feature=related

[Deacon]

Metro is god aweful, and does not represent what BF is at all.

What is battlefield then? Not all battles are fought in fields or over wide areas! I agree the urban areas could be better if they were bigger, either way nothing worng with cramped map IMO. makes for some hectic action. Fair play though if they are not your cup of tea, its all down to persoanl preference.

[Boxerman08]

Before getting BF3, I would've said, hands down, that mw2 or any previous cod game was better, and that all BF games are bad (only tried BFBC2 and hated it lol). I bought BF3, played it alone for some time, hated the fuck out of it, but when I started playing with some friends, I enjoyed it. I can say I enjoy it a lot now even when playing alone, but for me, I rather the cod series, except black ops (fuck was that game ever bad...) It was enjoyable for some time, but MW was still my favourite so far. Didn't have the chance to buy MW3 yet but I'm really looking forward to it.

And hackers ruin everything, no doubt. Hackers are mad gay.

[Ruben_Williams]

U just need to find a class / set up that suites you, I wasn't fussed on the game at first I thought it was good but I wasn't good at it, and that made me abit dissheartened. . . but now I'm assult running M416 with IRNV Scope, Foregrip and Suppressor and it's become alot mor enjoyable.

[replicant]

My guess is all new PC Shooters will be on console too if Counter strike is a success I can see others following.. Counter strike was what gave black ops gun game it's a variant on there..
Counter strike has so many modded servers I'm just hyped to see if we get to play anyone's server
It would be like having multiple shooters on one disc.
Cross-Platform is the way lots of games are looking to futureproof themselves.
Mainly right now we are seeing more FPS and MMORPG's with this in mind.
I do sense more centralized server structures so less "mod environments" just so the platforms are more controlled.

[madsser]

YAY CROSSPLATFORM!

that means i can poop on some 12 yr old kid playing with his controller, with my fucking keyboard and mouse which equals BETTER REACTION TIME, BETTER ACCURACY, and MORE FUN! :D

can't WAIIIIT!


PC gaming <3

[Boxerman08]

lol cross platform xbox/ps3 with pc will just be messed up. like madder said, "keyboard and mouse which equals BETTER REACTION TIME, BETTER ACCURACY", so the xbox/ps3 dudes are gonna get fucked in the browneye if that ever happens :(

[madsser]

lol cross platform xbox/ps3 with pc will just be messed up. like madder said, "keyboard and mouse which equals BETTER REACTION TIME, BETTER ACCURACY", so the xbox/ps3 dudes are gonna get fucked in the browneye if that ever happens :(

If I'm not completely wrong, that's the way they plan on doing CS:GO (replicant? you know some details?) and my K/D's going up up and awaaaayyyyy!

[Seanne1986]

What is battlefield then? Not all battles are fought in fields or over wide areas! I agree the urban areas could be better if they were bigger, either way nothing worng with cramped map IMO. makes for some hectic action. Fair play though if they are not your cup of tea, its all down to persoanl preference.

I'm not talking about where battles are fought in real life. But in the actual battlefield series.
Take a look at these maps and you'll see what I mean.

Battlefield 1942 maps (http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/View.php?view=GameInfo.Detail&id=132&game=4)
Battlefield Vietnam maps (http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/View.php?view=GameInfo.Detail&id=131&game=5)
Battlefield 2 maps (http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/View.php?view=GameInfo.Detail&id=55&game=3)
Battlefield 2142 maps (http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/View.php?view=GameInfo.Detail&id=220&game=8)
Battlefield 1943 maps (http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Gameinfo.Detail&id=297&game=11)

Then we have BF3
Battlefield 3 maps (http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Gameinfo.Detail&id=285&game=15)

Quite the difference I think in map size... actually HUGE difference.

What I don't like about the cramped maps, is that it turns into a exp grind fest, and spawn trapping.

Let's say you dominate the other team by taking the 5 flags on Seine Crossing, there's basically now way to flank the enemy to obtain a flag on the other side to get a fair fight.

Damavand Peak has a tunnel with a pretty cramped space in the middle of the tunnel, and 2 extremely narrow corridors on either side of the tunnel, where fights tend to turn into a rpg spam fest. Sure there are 1 littlebird heli on either side of the map, but they are easly taken down, by either the other littlebird, or the stingers. So when they go down, you are forced to enter the tunnel and begin spamming rockets again.

Metro on conquest 64 is the biggest joke in BF history ever. It's a rush to get the B flag. Who ever gets there first, pretty much wins the fight.
I recently got 55-15 by JUST spamming rockets into the ceiling, killing the enemy just above the escalator that were hiding on either side of the walls. And that is rediculous I think.. absolutely dumb.

I find it funny how Patrick Bach (the head of DICE) said that Operation Firestorm is their biggest battlefield map EVER

Yet if you look at El Alamein (http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/View.php?view=GameInfo.Detail&id=161&game=4) from 1942, It's almost like El Alamein is 4 times the scale of Firestorm.

Patrick Bach, Biggest gaming troll to date imo.

[Deacon]

I was referencing the fact that Battlefield is attempting to be a war sim, and putting he focus on urban combat. Eitherway I like the narrow fights and the grips about conquest I only play Rusha nd TDM tbh.

[Permy]

best game ever
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/battlereport/show/7993429/2/186570935/
soooooo many points

[replicant]

If I'm not completely wrong, that's the way they plan on doing CS:GO (replicant? you know some details?) and my K/D's going up up and awaaaayyyyy!
Right now CS:GO is definitely PC/Mac/PS3 and under testing (PS3 has option of KB/Mouse, Pad Controller, or Move Controller o_O!). The Xbox 360 version (Controller Only, but hints at Kinect Support) is under testing now, but they are having issues with Microsoft because Valve wants X360 people to use Steamworks for crossplatform play and MS is against this. Hosting will be a bit odd as "Casual" games will be player hosted and "Competitive" games will be Valve hosted.

Stuff I dig: Solo and 5 man Ladders (/drool), smaller models/hit boxes than CS:S, no iron sights, Defuse/Hostage Maps as always, and 1.6 Flash Bangs. Decoy Grenades that when tossed blow up and sound like your team fighting in a different spot sound pretty tits to me.
Things not sure about: Kevlar Vest, Helm, and Ammo are *FREE* each round, Forced DX9, all weapons "rebalanced", money system changed, new weapon/equip prices, No SourceTV currently...

[Ruben_Williams]

Hmm BF3 n MW3 are two very different experiences, COD always feels like paint ball with bullets, even the maps don't seem natural. . . and if I'm playing TDM, even if our team win I'm not happy unless I'm at the top of the leader board, I usually play FFA as I don't really like relying on campers. Infact I hate campers, there's should be a kick up the arse option if you're team mates are doing it. (I haven't actually played MW3 yet but from all accounts I've heard it's basically MW 2.5)

As with BF3, I am really enjoying this game, I've finally found a nice set up I like and I'm also tryna unlock some more stuff in engineer class. Even something as simple as shooting someone across the street in Grand Bazaar feels like an achievement and more I play this game the more I like it. Sure it's not perfect and sometimes you get some annoying team mates (in one game on rush in OM we were the attacking team and 3 of our team mates were way back in the spawn area with sniper rifles. . . WTF?)

I wanna get MW3 eventually, mainly for the campaign but I'm having too much fun with BF3 atm.

[Granka]

Anyone who has any tips on how I can prevent my savegame from getting corrupted? That shit happened to me today, I had played like 7-8 missions and now I gotta do that shit again.

[replicant]

Anyone who has any tips on how I can prevent my savegame from getting corrupted? That shit happened to me today, I had played like 7-8 missions and now I gotta do that shit again.
The most common thing is delete install and clear cache.
Then you have to be very careful when you save and when you dashboard.
Never dashboard mid-game and when you save give it a little more time than normal befor elogging off.
Some suggest saving and dashboarding out of the game before turning the machine off.

[Antwan]

Also... MW3 is going to be bad right now because all the hardcore headz are playing with their friends trying to level up quickly = more of these kinds of dominant groups running (ruining?) a whole game.

That's how it should be? I don't see the point in a competitive game that has no good players..
I aim to get good at a game if I am playing for scores, in which multiplayer first person shooters almost always are..
Don't see any gain from playing people in lower or even equal playing skill.

[Boxerman08]

so I bought mw3 yesterday, played a little too much, but that's what happens when we get new games... right? lol but anyways, I kinda like what I've seen, but I was disappointed how NOTHING has changed in the multiplayer, except a few guns (where they basically took like half the old guns and renamed them lol), the killstreak bullshit, and how to unlock certain attachments and whatnot. The graphics seem to be a little better, but damn I've never seen soooo many people camp in corners of rooms or at the end of halls on the side of the door or wtv. That ruins it for me. I can't really say which one I like better out of mw3 or bf3, because I seem to enjoy both. One thing I really liked in mw3 was the survival mode, but the multiplayer engine and the player animations and all are still the same... kinda disappointing how they had 2 years to make mw3...

[xRiverKing]

Hmm BF3 n MW3 are two very different experiences, COD always feels like paint ball with bullets, even the maps don't seem natural. . . and if I'm playing TDM, even if our team win I'm not happy unless I'm at the top of the leader board, I usually play FFA as I don't really like relying on campers. Infact I hate campers, there's should be a kick up the arse option if you're team mates are doing it. (I haven't actually played MW3 yet but from all accounts I've heard it's basically MW 2.5)

As with BF3, I am really enjoying this game, I've finally found a nice set up I like and I'm also tryna unlock some more stuff in engineer class. Even something as simple as shooting someone across the street in Grand Bazaar feels like an achievement and more I play this game the more I like it. Sure it's not perfect and sometimes you get some annoying team mates (in one game on rush in OM we were the attacking team and 3 of our team mates were way back in the spawn area with sniper rifles. . . WTF?)

I wanna get MW3 eventually, mainly for the campaign but I'm having too much fun with BF3 atm.

My feelings exactly. Been having a lot of fun with bf3, and tbh I don't feel like mw3 is worth $60. Seems rehashed as shit. Campaign is prob the only thing that still makes me want to buy it..

[Ruben_Williams]

Right then, I rented MW3 on weds enjoying the campaign so far (I dont really follow the cinematics tbh, and still only on 3rd mission lol). . . but the multiplayer. . . hmmmm

Now normally when people go on about hit detection and all that I brush it off, I found Blops and MW2 fine, but this is something else, Usually I'm not so pedantic to bring up little issues but when it starts to effect the outcome of a game then I'll voice a concern.
Howcome half the time it takes them one bullet to kill me and takes me a loads to kill them? Also the lag is a pain in the arse, I find myself shooting at people for them to survive and then fire back at me, watch it back on killcam and it shows I didn't even get a shot off? I know for sure I did.

Also it feels alittle too much like hardcore, there's no stand off like before where you'd have a split second to get your shots in even if ur enemy sees you first, it's just bang dead
The spawns are also a bit fucked too (always wanted to appear right in the line of fire) . . . Those are my main concerns.
The maps I find very bland, and not very well thought out, just a clutterfuck really, are we all gonna have to download expension packs now to make the game more interesting?.

I'm starting to think a 2 year release is too much for COD now, prehaps 3/4 years would have been better, but then again I guess everyone was getting bored of blops already.

I don't dislike the game, I just don't find it very overwhelming, for king of the FPS, I really think IW, Sledgehammer and Activision coulda offered a fixed game for the price they're selling it.

I'm not gonna harp on about how it feels too much like MW2 because to be honest I don't expect anything different from them, and even though alot of people aren't happy about it because it still feels the same I'll stick my neck out and say those are the same people who'd complain if they did implement changes, albeit for the better. All I want to see from them is abit more heart into the product, rather than re-jiggin perks, kill streaks weapons.

[Antwan]

First Person Shooters started arcade slowly became realistic
Call of duty has always been somewhere in between in my opinion
so honestly expecting something more realistic, is your own fault..
over hype is what bums gamers..
Not the Development teams that make the games, and not the company that backs them with funding.
The players bum themselves.. simply put.. This is Xbox 360 guys.. with a franchise like call of duty they don't want to over do it
they know the xbox has limits, look at gameplay from skyrim, RAGE and other new games that were a little ahead.. <and vice versa with ps3..
ps3 sometimes has the slightly crisper versions, or so I've heard but that's beside my thoughts.

If you want to be a critic throw this into your scoring.. fun factor..
that's all that should matter.. people on the sidelines like this, don't matter with the big numbers.
I'm just thinking "out loud" here..
How many thousands of Players that dislike MW3 like BF3 and left some kinda of remark somewhere online?
AND In result.. MW3 Still sold well, did it not?

Personally I haven't even played either yet.. I'm just observing.

[replicant]

First Person Shooters started arcade slowly became realistic
Call of duty has always been somewhere in between in my opinion
so honestly expecting something more realistic, is your own fault..
over hype is what bums gamers..
Not the Development teams that make the games, and not the company that backs them with funding.
The players bum themselves.. simply put.. This is Xbox 360 guys.. with a franchise like call of duty they don't want to over do it
they know the xbox has limits, look at gameplay from skyrim, RAGE and other new games that were a little ahead.. <and vice versa with ps3..
ps3 sometimes has the slightly crisper versions, or so I've heard but that's beside my thoughts.

If you want to be a critic throw this into your scoring.. fun factor..
that's all that should matter.. people on the sidelines like this, don't matter with the big numbers.
I'm just thinking "out loud" here..
How many thousands of Players that dislike MW3 like BF3 and left some kinda of remark somewhere online?
AND In result.. MW3 Still sold well, did it not?

Personally I haven't even played either yet.. I'm just observing.
I have to agree somewhat here. "Fun Factor" has to be considered in any review of a game.
MW3 has sold well and will continue to sell well because a lot of people find it fun.
It's also a lot more casual friendly so the learning curve for it allows that same Madden crowd to enjoy it.
At the upper levels the game still requires skill to be competitive, but entry level is what sells games.
Hardcore players are pretty much the minority in almost every single gaming genre.

Rage I played most of last weekend. It's a fun game that reminds me of a more "realistic" Borderlands.
Rage multiplayer doesn't interest me at all so I didn't bother with it in the least. SP is fun though.
Skyrim is simply amazing and every chance I get to play it at a friends I do. It'll be a bit till I can get it
for myself because I just had to drop $650 for surgery on my dog. She means more to me than a game,
so I'll buy Skyrim when some more free money comes about or I get it for Xmas.

[unplannedman]

What the fuck are you pussies talking about? Grab a PS3 and play some MAG

[Antwan]

What up with the tude dude
I tried to play mag once at my friend's we couldn't connect to the servers lol

I just saw that MW3 has theater mode? Aw shit.. Bout to go off on that shit when I get to it.

I've always struggled trying to game ps3 though I know a couple guys who go between xbox and ps3 I don't see how.
Controls feel so awkward to me.. I used to own playstation though. Ps1 Psone Ps2 ps2 slim and then I went to original xbox
can't deny halo's creativity.

[Roke]

Soooo.....

(not a player of either title).
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/121/1214548p1.html

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/315514_10150295491439520_512279519_7647793_3284174 _n.jpg

[Antwan]

I can't wait to play them.

[Boxerman08]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/315514_10150295491439520_512279519_7647793_3284174 _n.jpg

hahaha this is so good :p

but yeah, I actually came to REALLY enjoy both now. Can't pick my fav out of the two... I just like them both so much lol

[r0ke]

Be safe out there!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGztGJcYVUk

[BeatChemist]

hahahahah that team killing vid is hilarious!!!!

[Monk]

that TK vid had me rolling LMFAO!

[Antwan]

Well I just completed the MW3 Campaign.. haven't been up to speed on my cod
and started on veteran.. took me about 3 days like 2.5 hours each day or something, 10 hours total? Tells me at the bottom

SPOILER (MODERN WARFARE 3)














I've come to the conclusion that the only reason Captain Price
is the only survivor is because he has a bulletproof adamant cigar case.. modernized for damage resistance.
How else could he have a lighter and cigar in-tact after all that shit?