Correct trick names.

I apologise if there is already a post for this but lately I've noticed a LOT of confusion regarding tricks done fakie, particularly on ledges and rails, and being named wrong. For example: Someone performing a fakie backside boardslide and naming it a fakie backside lipslide, but then having someone say it's a fakie frontside boardslide because the rail was in front of him.

Basically I just want to know what you guys think about fakie tricks, and what you call certain fakie tricks. Or if you yourself have any confusion about fakie tricks. See if we can all learn something.

how can a backside boardslide be a backside lipslide, that is just not possible:

to clear things out:

backside boardslide = boardslide -> you look down the stairs while sliding top of the stairs is in your back (same with lipslide, but you ollie over the rail)
frontside boardslide -> your back faces down the stairs while sliding (slide direction bs lipslide)

switch, fakie or so doesn't matter in this case

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Originally Posted by fallingskyline

how can a backside boardslide be a backside lipslide, that is just not possible:

to clear things out:

backside boardslide = boardslide -> you look down the stairs while sliding top of the stairs is in your back (same with lipslide, but you ollie over the rail)
frontside boardslide -> your back faces down the stairs while sliding (slide direction bs lipslide)

switch, fakie or so doesn't matter in this case

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Yes, you're right about the basic frontside and backside boardslides... as for the going fakie, it definitely matters. EVERYTHING is opposite.
Frontside becomes backside/backside becomes frontside, boardslides become lipslides/lipslides become boardslides. Tailslides become noseslides/noseslides become tailslides.

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Originally Posted by AaronRedpath

Yes, you're right about the basic frontside and backside boardslides... as for the going fakie, it definitely matters. EVERYTHING is opposite.
Frontside becomes backside/backside becomes frontside, boardslides become lipslides/lipslides become boardslides. Tailslides become noseslides/noseslides become tailslides.

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That opposite thing doesnt apply to fakie only nollie

oh again with the lingo..

I don't give a fuck anymore, I just say boardslide or lipslide. I'll never get a hang of this frontside/backside-deal so I just never say it. Haha.

I'm glad people aren't arguing about that direction difference of fakie and nollie...that shit is annoying as hell and I BET that everyone here has different opinion about it.

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Originally Posted by AaronRedpath

Yes, you're right about the basic frontside and backside boardslides... as for the going fakie, it definitely matters. EVERYTHING is opposite.
Frontside becomes backside/backside becomes frontside, boardslides become lipslides/lipslides become boardslides. Tailslides become noseslides/noseslides become tailslides.

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that is plain bullshit.
direction doesn't turn, if your backside on a rail, you're backside on a rail. the only thing you have to have in mind, maybe the fact, that a fakie ollie backside boardslide is a halfcab boardslide or if you don't do a halfcab its a fakie ollie switch fs boardslide...

i guess i have to make a litte video to show what what board-/lipslide is called...

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Originally Posted by Wiltzuh

I'm glad people aren't arguing about that direction difference of fakie and nollie...that shit is annoying as hell and I BET that everyone here has different opinion about it.

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a fakie ollie is a switch nollie and a nollie is a switch fakie ollie ;)

Leave it to the pros

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Originally Posted by fallingskyline

a fakie ollie is a switch nollie and a nollie is a switch fakie ollie ;)

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Oh yeah i know that but i was meaning that difference of turning directions...in fakie fs ollie you turn to the direction of your back but in fs nollie you turn to the direction of your stomach...same with fakie fs shove it and nollie fs shove it.

I just check out the ladies' backsides and keep my frontside out of trouble

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Originally Posted by fallingskyline

a fakie ollie is a switch nollie and a nollie is a switch fakie ollie ;)

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that is the dumbest thing i ever heard

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Originally Posted by jimmy2times79

that is the dumbest thing i ever heard

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HAHAHA yup, I think he was joking though.

At least I hope he was...

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Originally Posted by fallingskyline

fakie ollie switch fs boardslide...

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But on a serious note, if you start off fakie, it doesnt change to switch mid-trick. The trick you're describing is a fakie backside lipslide. Hesh's post 2 below clarifies this well.

hes not. and hes right.

If you want to learn how to differentiate between FS and BS, watch more vert skating and apply it to street.
The confusion arises when you try to determine FS/BS without a reference to where the terms came from.

We should all just get the TONY HAWK TRICK READER 3000 implanted in our brains, that shows in the bottom of the screen in the games.

I didn't start this thread for an argument. Simply to find out other skateboarders general opinion, and perhaps to educate those who aren't quite sure.

Here are 4 things I know for a fact:

1) After a fakie ollie, EVERYTHING is opposite to nollie. for example - Nollie fs 180 = fakie bs 180 (halfcab). Nollie nosegrind = fakie 5-0. Nollie bs tailslide = fs half cab to frontside noseslide. Nollie fs noseblunt = fakie bs blunt.
2) As for lipslides, same thing applies (remember - if the BACK truck goes over the rail first, it's a lipslide) For example - Nollie fs boardslide = fakie backlip. Nollie bs boardslide = fakie frontlip. (I'm sure you figure out the nollie lipslide variations.)
3) You don't do switch tricks from a fakie ollie. EXCEPT for crooked grinds.
4) The whole "rail behind you = backside, rail in front of you = frontside" only applies when rolling regular (and nollie) and switch.

I've been skateboarding for about 12 years now, and that is what I've ALWAYS known. I'd also recommend referencing The Berrics Trickipedia.

I would still love to hear everyones opinion on this. And if you disagree, explain why. I would love to know.

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Originally Posted by Granka

I don't give a fuck anymore, I just say boardslide or lipslide. I'll never get a hang of this frontside/backside-deal so I just never say it. Haha.

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fuck i thought i was the only one. figured that much cause i dont skate in real life like most here lol

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Originally Posted by AaronRedpath

1) After a fakie ollie, EVERYTHING is opposite to nollie. for example - Nollie fs 180 = fakie bs 180 (halfcab). Nollie nosegrind = fakie 5-0. Nollie bs tailslide = fs half cab to frontside noseslide. Nollie fs noseblunt = fakie bs blunt.

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You're on the right track, but going around the reasoning. The whole equals thing works as a comparison, but it breaks down with smith, crook, feeble, any of the -cane's. The coincidental opposite effect comes from fakie being regular backwards, and nollie being regular forwards on the nose, but fs and bs don't always switch. The concept of fakie was around way before nollie was, and like hesh said it came from vert terminology.



And why make an exception for fakie crooked grinds?

Some people are just so sensitive about this exact discussion, not just talking about this forum. One guy who i've been friends with for quite a few years almost wanted to fight me simply because I said he was doing a back boardside on this flat bar that someone brought to the park, he was calling it a front board and got enraged when I said what it was. I never got upset if I named a trick wrong, if someone saw what I did and I described the trick wrong and he said 'oh, you mean backside mcrib flip?' I wouldn't throw a tantrum over it, just say something like 'Is that what it's called? My bad.'

I have a fun story though, this small child decided to pick up skating and comes to the park once and a while, he never calls tricks frontside or backside, he says 'FS' and 'BS,' literally. If you did a frontside flip against him in skate, he'd say 'was that a fs flip?' We tried telling him what fs and bs means, but his brain won't consume the information, too busy being a child to comprehend actually concentrating on something.

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Originally Posted by briden

You're on the right track, but going around the reasoning. The whole equals thing works as a comparison, but it breaks down with smith, crook, feeble, any of the -cane's. The coincidental opposite effect comes from fakie being regular backwards, and nollie being regular forwards on the nose, but fs and bs don't always switch. The concept of fakie was around way before nollie was, and like hesh said it came from vert terminology.



And why make an exception for fakie crooked grinds?

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Wtf? You actually lost me there. Sometimes I have a hard time wrapping my mind around things. This is one of those times. I'm sure you're right though. Just can't comprehend it yet.

Is fakie two sided?
Like ok, switch is your dominate pushing foot in front.
What if you're riding "SWITCH" Fakie..
foot placement is switch but you're backwards.
I'm guessing it's not a real thing because it sounds odd but I never did ask anyone.

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Originally Posted by crni1976

Wtf? You actually lost me there. Sometimes I have a hard time wrapping my mind around things. This is one of those times. I'm sure you're right though. Just can't comprehend it yet.

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I was basically saying that he got to the right answer, but skipped a few steps in explaining and missed some crucial points. Most people who started skating more recently seem to think that a fakie ollie is a switch nollie, but that logic makes trick names ridiculously hard to comprehend, again leading back to the vert thing. If you REALLY want I'll write out a long-as-fuck message for you, but I don't want to clog this thread up.

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Originally Posted by Antwan

Is fakie two sided?
Like ok, switch is your dominate pushing foot in front.
What if you're riding "SWITCH" Fakie..
foot placement is switch but you're backwards.
I'm guessing it's not a real thing because it sounds odd but I never did ask anyone.

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Could you please draw a picture or take a photo because this is confusing, but absolutely fascinating.

for it to be a lip the part of the board popping has to go over the rail or ledge, if it doesn't, it's not a lip

Ok so the only reason I ask about it is that traditionally fakie is technically your dominate pushing foot in front while youre backwards. You can however, stand in your regular stance and take what is a pretty awkward push for momentum taking you backwards or even push off of a wall or obstacle, to be riding backwards without the switchup. Sorry for the run on not near my pc. Get what im saying though?

ive heard someone say "switch nollie tre" when they couldve said fakie tre

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Originally Posted by Tilburr

for it to be a lip the part of the board popping has to go over the rail or ledge, if it doesn't, it's not a lip

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Not true for nollie though.

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Originally Posted by Antwan

Ok so the only reason I ask about it is that traditionally fakie is technically your dominate pushing foot in front while youre backwards. You can however, stand in your regular stance and take what is a pretty awkward push for momentum taking you backwards or even push off of a wall or obstacle, to be riding backwards without the switchup. Sorry for the run on not near my pc. Get what im saying though?

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I think i got you, but fakie is just a stance so it doesn't really matter how you get into it. If you did a fully backwards facing kickflip, it'd be awkward and cool, but still be a fakie kickflip, if that's what you're getting at.

Yeah, that. I guess its more feeling and knowing how you got into it. Wouldnt look much different if you cut out the backwards push. What if you apply the same method to switch though, no difference?

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Originally Posted by Tilburr

for it to be a lip the part of the board popping has to go over the rail or ledge, if it doesn't, it's not a lip

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The only think you have to remember for lip slides is the BACK truck. If the back truck goes over the rail first, it's a lipslide. That applies for the switch, nollie, fakie and regular. BUT! When riding fakie, your back truck will be at the front. I hope that makes sense.

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If you REALLY want I'll write out a long-as-fuck message for you

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I'd actually love to read this.

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:p haha

i feel like some of you are bringing a lot of bullshit to the discussion.

Hahaha. Epic. Although I was expecting it to more about that Fakie/lipslide/vert conversation.

I know less about skateboarding after reading this thread.

i give my tricks human names, like hurricanes. i dont mean i call any trick a hurricane, that wouldnt be legit. i call them Irene and Carol and Diane and shit like that. and switch tricks get a mans name