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[DonVigo]

Jest - I promise when I have some time, I'll read all that and try to formulate some proper dialouge. At the moment, I'm too pooped for someone else's smarts.

Antwan - Dude, I don't know you well enough to judge you beyond the fact it seems you do some decent fakeskating. What I would say to or about you is that our bullshit threshold is set at different levels. Where that footage got your attention and raised your curiosity, I instantly (through my own sort of logic, which we all have) tore it to bits and labeled it as bullshit. I'm sorry, but taking any GW quote in any context is about as credible as getting the same information from my girlfriend's three year old daughter. The man wasn't very bright, and time and time again was caught spewing sewage from the manhole under his nose. Sadly, in my opinion, about 90% of the conspiracy theories I've heard trip my bullshit alarm, as very few of them prove anything at all. It's not that I think that there's no chance there was something more up that we'll never know... But I have better things to burn calories over in my own life. What may or may not be based on speculation just isn't worth my time. Someone shows me hard, factual proof, and I'll listen.

But hey, I don't think the USA is going to exist in the next century due to the fact there's so much disconnect between the Govt. and the people, and the people themselves. Our government is more concerned with bickering over party-line bullshit to focus on the greater good of the people, and the people tend to be too self absorbed to do anything but bitch. As the left and right continue to seperate, and that bipartisanship continues through the government, we're just getting closer to another civil war.

[thesignguy]

Jest, right on dude. I love a good debate when it's not filled with "your stupid for your opinion" or " here, look at this video of some random guy it explains everything and I believe it to a T"
I didn't read everything you said YET. But seems you listed facts and thought about your words.

As far as your reply to my comment. The government may withhold info and twist details, but for something of this magnitude there would be far to many crumbs in a trail to clean up. It just (in my opinion) doesn't seem possible to pull off something like this. Government officials are people too, and a majority of them have good hearts and earn there way through elections by proving so. It's not like they are groomed from birth to be evil dictators or cloked in secret societies brain washed to control situations for there societies own good. Maybe this description fits some of the government, but it would be not nearly enough manpower to pull this off, and hide it from the ones that weren't.
As far as the news goes, yes they scare us with scare tactics but the scare tactics are what we the people tune into. It's funny how everyone says this argument. If you had a study with different news channels, half showing a guy saying truths about whatever major situation was going on (a scientist or professor with no agenda) the other channel with disturbing video narrated by some no it all saying how bad it's gonna get. I can assure you which station would keep the attention of the viewers. Hell have the same video just dif narators, same outcome. Not that I think there isn't some truth to the major networks being told what to put on at times, but we are just as much if not more to blame.
And working with the enemy? I just don't buy it in this situation. It's not like we supplied them arms to help them fight someone else like we have in the past. A operation like this would have been to delicate, total control of any persons involved would of been the only option for success. There are just to many holes that could leak.

[jest118]

Jest, right on dude. I love a good debate when it's not filled with "your stupid for your opinion" or " here, look at this video of some random guy it explains everything and I believe it to a T"
I didn't read everything you said YET. But seems you listed facts and thought about your words.

As far as your reply to my comment. The government may withhold info and twist details, but for something of this magnitude there would be far to many crumbs in a trail to clean up. It just (in my opinion) doesn't seem possible to pull off something like this. Government officials are people too, and a majority of them have good hearts and earn there way through elections by proving so. It's not like they are groomed from birth to be evil dictators or cloked in secret societies brain washed to control situations for there societies own good. Maybe this description fits some of the government, but it would be not nearly enough manpower to pull this off, and hide it from the ones that weren't.
As far as the news goes, yes they scare us with scare tactics but the scare tactics are what we the people tune into. It's funny how everyone says this argument. If you had a study with different news channels, half showing a guy saying truths about whatever major situation was going on (a scientist or professor with no agenda) the other channel with disturbing video narrated by some no it all saying how bad it's gonna get. I can assure you which station would keep the attention of the viewers. Hell have the same video just dif narators, same outcome. Not that I think there isn't some truth to the major networks being told what to put on at times, but we are just as much if not more to blame.
And working with the enemy? I just don't buy it in this situation. It's not like we supplied them arms to help them fight someone else like we have in the past. A operation like this would have been to delicate, total control of any persons involved would of been the only option for success. There are just to many holes that could leak.

Gov't officials may start off as good people.. but in order to be successful they have to play the game like anyone else. By the time they reach the level of Congress, I have every confidence that they're done plenty of underhanded things to get there.. not the least of which is the digging up of dirt and trashing their opponents. The Govenor of Illinois tried to SELL his state's Senate seat! And was on the Television show Apprentice AFTER he was caught, impeached and convicted of a Federal Crime!

Either way.. IF the Gov't were to construct something like 9/11.. they really wouldn't need all that many people to pull it off. They would compartmentalize to a certain extent and use their lesser known tools to achieve their goals. They wouldn't have had to work with the hijackers in any capacity either. There are a lot of ways that are perfectly feasible for these things to be accomplished. I'm not saying that that's what happened. Just that it can't just be brushed off.

The Media is definitely being controlled. Without a doubt. Not necessarily by the Gov't.. but by it's owners. If Rupert Murdoch invested in a company that specialized in Personal Oxygen Tanks, you can bet your ass that soon afterwards Fox News would be airing a story on the toxicity in the air.

Personally.. I'm of the belief that the US knew about it well ahead of time and allowed it to happen. They may or may not have helped certain aspects along the way. Otherwise, how can they possibly explain having all that information about each Hijacker and their trail less than 24 hours after the fact? Remember this is the same country that struggled finding the Unabomber for 2 decades and he's one of our own citizens (in the end, his family turned him in.. the Gov't had no part in finding him)! They had either constructed the various histories or they had to have been following them the whole time.

[Antwan]

Jest, right on dude. I love a good debate when it's not filled with "your stupid for your opinion" or " here, look at this video of some random guy it explains everything and I believe it to a T"
I didn't read everything you said YET. But seems you listed facts and thought about your words.

Almost offended, like you didn't read what I typed.. but you know..
Just wondering what people thought, if it was logical to them or if it had made no sense and I see it now.. cool to know.
Wondered if it would influence someone's thinking process, Never said I believed it infact I said I don't think I do..
I guess I try to help people think in a different light.. while not converting their belief or changing what's real it's seemingly pointless, So I get you..
some longer posts become shorter ones when I type just because I don't know how to word it.
I am very misinformed on the shroud of negativity that is the media today.. I try to stay away from the negative and happened to see this documentary
Just wanted to read thoughts on it.. oh and those two clips are only 2 excerpts of maybe 15 they had alot of stuff layed out that's why it was so interesting and I had reccomended it.

[thesignguy]

Almost offended, like you didn't read what I typed.. but you know..
Just wondering what people thought, if it was logical to them or if it had made no sense and I see it now.. cool to know.
Wondered if it would influence someone's thinking process, Never said I believed it infact I said I don't think I do..
I guess I try to help people think in a different light.. while not converting their belief or changing what's real it's seemingly pointless, So I get you..
some longer posts become shorter ones when I type just because I don't know how to word it.
I am very misinformed on the shroud of negativity that is the media today.. I try to stay away from the negative and happened to see this documentary
Just wanted to read thoughts on it.. oh and those two clips are only 2 excerpts of maybe 15 they had alot of stuff layed out that's why it was so interesting and I had reccomended it.

why would you possibly think i was reffering to you in any of that statement? I wasn't

[Antwan]

Oh well..
Carry on then..
your discussion now, I'm high and dumb.

[Permy]

but nigga

that building fell hella funny

[replicant]

but nigga

that building fell hella funny

Well, to be fair... The building was high.