seems like your looking for the Skate 1 Skate 2 experience still...
seems like your looking for the Skate 1 Skate 2 experience still...
YOUR MISSING THE POINT....
jerry bear isnt asking if cap killed the creativity of the community....
that would be impossible and jerry bear knows this...
what hes asking is..
has the create a park hindered the communities mindset when it comes to thinking outside the box on regular/bland spots...
SUPPORT YOUR HOMIES...
I think it just plateau'd early. I mean.. it has to be recognized that by the time Skate 3 came out.. people weren't looking to skate anything in a "normal" way. The Community that tries to push the physics, skate the unskateable, and hit things from odd angles, in odd ways had already grown through Skate 1 and 2. So you didn't have that incubation period where no one was doing it. People were pushing it from day 1 with S3. So until someone finds another way to "break" the physics or another NEW version of stuff that tweaks trick animations the vast majority of things is abd at this point.Originally Posted by Demzilla
As ridiculous as the whole abd concept is.. no one wants to blatantly bite someone else's tricks.. so what's really left? This is a part of the reason that I skate without concern for physics breaking, animation tweaking, and all that. It's a ton of extra effort just to end up being like a dozen other people and I, personally, don't find it fun or all that rewarding. I prefer skating in a way that I find aesthetically appealing. It's not difficult at all and the camera angles aren't mindblowing or super creative like a Habitat (the board company) video but I like it and at the end of the day that's what's it's about. Each individual person finding fun in it.
old psn: jest118
new psn: jesthatesyou
Heated discussion here. I think my goals or my standards for my own fake skating have always been a bit more cavalier. I agree that skating is an art. When Andy Warhol painted the Campbell Soup Can on a 4 story canvass that was art. When I grab a can of Campbell's Soup that is not art. The difference is in the intention of the creator. Campbell's Soup wants you to eat soup. Warhol wanted you to think about Pop culture in a brand new way. If we take this analogy and move it to skateboarding we can quickly come up with an analog. Gino Iannucci is one of the very first skaters to throw a switch kickflip down a set of stairs and make it look good. He made it look almost better than skating regular. People were tripping the fuck out because they either could not do switch flips or it took them 500 tries to do switch flips and when they landed them there was toe drag and hell drag, and their knees buckled and their arms flailed and they were covered in dirt and sweat from the first 499 bails. Now, PRod has flawless looking switch flips that only take a few tries but they will never be better than Gino's because PRod is an un-ironic Campbell's soup can; by which I mean dude has pop sponsors on every single piece of his clothing; he doesn't dress himself Mountain Dew dresses him. Let's take another step back and apply this to the City and Cap and Skate 3 and intended style all in the context of art. If tno builds a beautiful rainbow colored park with a monster rail to bank that you can't roll away from unless you perfectly roll away on a stop sign sunk into the transition at the bottom of the bank that is mother fucking art because that spot does not exist anywhere else other than tno's brain. Mountain Dew doesn't dress tno's brain, tno dresses his brain with white butcher coats and mad scientist goggles. If Skatehead builds a beautiful white hubba to brick wall that is almost impossible to land a 5-0 on and then Demzilla pulls a tweaked noseblunt with a stylish ride away that seems to ignore the wall, the tight landing, the crooked run up then that is Mother Fucking Art. Even if I spend two weeks trying to get a fakie frontside blunt inward heel popless with a clean roll away I know that I'm just biting Demzilla's already flawless trick on Skatehead's wildly inventive White Rabbit Hubba. I'm still putting that shit in as my ender because it took me two weeks, but it's art layered on top of art imitating art and you better know that I'm not letting Mountain Dew tell me what kind of socks I'm wearing.
Horsehead
"like a gnarly dog on PCP with gold teeth biting your face."
hahahah I randomly lurked this thread and had to comment on Jack's post. Dude you are fucking hilarious.
Also. I am fucking stoked to see that people are still into skate enough to carry on arguments about it.
I tend to think about my fakeskating the way Jest does... I'm just looking to have fun and make things aesthetically pleasing. Difficulty isn't of high importance to me, but I respect those who make it their ultimate goal. So I don't feel bad about using a CAP to film a trick. Because if I think it looks good, I'm going to film it. It's that simple to me. I don't get too caught up in much else. Maybe that's why not many people watch my vids, but really... who cares?
I think saying that CAP kills creativity is a bit of a stretch. It changed it, for sure. For the better or worse? That's way too subjective.
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--> "I wont give up my real friends just to play that game alone at home with headphones on, isolated from social contacts. Why did u (EA) had to ruin a game that hard? Did someone just poop in your cereals? Are we to blame for this action? "
That is my exact mindset. And you expressed it way better than I did so kudos and thanks for that!
old psn: jest118
new psn: jesthatesyou
Marco I was just adding to my other post..
Someone thinks PC Is badly sized so they go and make create a parks all day
rather than thinking a little differently
I'll just keep out of this one as it's so hard to grasp what I'm saying.
yes i deleted a bunch of shit...
SUPPORT YOUR HOMIES...
its fine man. you make strong points most of the time... and its over looked... unfortunately ...
i did understand you with that comment though. now i do. sort of.
No I definitely understand you Antwan. It has changed the way people try to find and hit new spots in the city. That is for sure. And for the people who really approached the game from that angle, I can see how the addition of CAP has meant that, because some people choose to create spots, less people are hunting spots and appreciating the spot hunters.
I also understand the complaints about how most CAP are still just rails/banks/ledges/minis on repeat.
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--> "I wont give up my real friends just to play that game alone at home with headphones on, isolated from social contacts. Why did u (EA) had to ruin a game that hard? Did someone just poop in your cereals? Are we to blame for this action? "
He really should of put that in his first post!
The question is still kinda silly though. If someone is a creative outside the box type skater no matter where they are they're going to look for something creative to do. Even if someone just built a park with 1 ledge in it creativity will happen. I can't imagine someone who's creative becoming less creative because they're in or built a CAP.
I'm still finding new ways to hit spots in PC, maybe y'all aren't looking hard enough?
CAP is what it is, an outlet for different expression. It's watercolours to PCs' marble sculpture, different but still amazing.
Either way you get to the point so often that it can't be sharpened any more..
one short dull pencil with plenty of paper..
in other's perspective anyway
I use multiple pens, cause I'm badass.
Responding to what I said won't change it though
if you use create a park and avoid the city
For whatever reason
you're just being lazy.
Ungrindables? Eh
maybe people don't know but there is a way to make grindables ungrindable while doing an ollie in on skate 3..
Finding it pretty fun.
Maybe you need to start destroying the game again friends..
I find something new with the engine almost every other day.
What do you mean by this? In terms of making videos that makes you lazy?
I mean if the video is purposefully for CAP, then no, that comment is irrelevant. But making solos with unique spots is a different story. I agree that CAP can take the creativity and authenticity away from a solo. To me a solo is about finding spots in the actual city... maybe finding tweaks in the engine too. I make sure that my solos are strictly PC.
Btw... CAPs take a lot of time and effort. I enjoy CAPs that take a lot of work to make. I'd appreciate that.
Last edited by MarcoPoloUSN; 06-18-2011 at 03:55 PM.
wasnt directed at you Fully....
SUPPORT YOUR HOMIES...
not for me.
that you can build your own cities, doesnt mean that i dont think how i can differently hit that spot, imo.
i love to search things in pc that werent that often done the way i do.
But i also love to sesh in some cap`s and do the same there...
Last edited by Jebotek; 06-30-2011 at 04:30 AM.
I think saying CAP killed creativity is very short sighted, but what ever thats your opinion and I respect that.
CAP in itself is creative. It takes time, effort, and imagination to create a environment that looks and feels like a real place. I agree that CAP clips can look very bad on film, however that depends on how you film it and what CAP you are skating. CAP Faction & Pandora to name just two have made some very realistic looking locations with interesting spots that aren't obvious that allow you to find your own way to skate it.
I love PC in general (the old factory area, down town, and the Daly estates etc. and I often find new spots when skating about or find a different way to hit an old spot. However my fav environment to skate is a school ( s1 and s2 had Willow/GED etC) however in S3 the PC college doesn't have that feel. I know I can always go back and play s1 and s2 but I am a sucker for s3 at times.
I'd still play the game without CAP, however after much searching (and also now building) I now have a nice collection of varied and realistic looking schoool locations toskate, and in turn I have added longevity to the game for me.
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