wasnt directed at you Fully....
wasnt directed at you Fully....
SUPPORT YOUR HOMIES...
haha dude my bad demzilla I got carried away and i had just woken up.
hahahah I randomly lurked this thread and had to comment on Jack's post. Dude you are fucking hilarious.Originally Posted by Jack
Also. I am fucking stoked to see that people are still into skate enough to carry on arguments about it.
I tend to think about my fakeskating the way Jest does... I'm just looking to have fun and make things aesthetically pleasing. Difficulty isn't of high importance to me, but I respect those who make it their ultimate goal. So I don't feel bad about using a CAP to film a trick. Because if I think it looks good, I'm going to film it. It's that simple to me. I don't get too caught up in much else. Maybe that's why not many people watch my vids, but really... who cares?
I think saying that CAP kills creativity is a bit of a stretch. It changed it, for sure. For the better or worse? That's way too subjective.
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--> "I wont give up my real friends just to play that game alone at home with headphones on, isolated from social contacts. Why did u (EA) had to ruin a game that hard? Did someone just poop in your cereals? Are we to blame for this action? "
That is my exact mindset. And you expressed it way better than I did so kudos and thanks for that!
old psn: jest118
new psn: jesthatesyou
Marco I was just adding to my other post..
Someone thinks PC Is badly sized so they go and make create a parks all day
rather than thinking a little differently
I'll just keep out of this one as it's so hard to grasp what I'm saying.
yes i deleted a bunch of shit...
SUPPORT YOUR HOMIES...
its fine man. you make strong points most of the time... and its over looked... unfortunately ...
i did understand you with that comment though. now i do. sort of.
Your preference of Switch Flips doesn't bother me at all.
Your feelings about Corporate Branding have nothing to do with what you said about P Rod though. Mountain Dew tells him what to wear? I mean really come on dude. In a Profession where those with the most buying power could careless about supporting the Professionals.. how exactly are these guys supposed to do what they do? And if P Rod (or any other Pro for that matter) blows his ACL.. how's he going to support his family? At the end of the day you can feel however you want about Corporate Sponsorship.. but to think that they have any degree of control over the people they sponsor aside from public appearances and advertising, then you're completely mistaken.
The man took his Corporate Money and Sponsors and created two skate plaza's in some of the most High-Risk Neighborhoods in Los Angeles. When he opened his shop Primitive, he employed homies that looked out for him and helped him in his career coming up, to run it. When one of his best friends, Dan Abadi, got broke off so bad he was shook from skating for years (he was AM at the time of the injury) Paul hired him as an Assistant so he could still make a living being around something he loved. When he started to blow up and had access to well known big name filmers and photographers, he still went to his homies for his footage and photos.. allowing those homies like Dario Rezk, Nigel Alexander, and Hermie Jimenez to create careers for themselves. On top of that.. he's just a cool guy. Always friendly. Always humble.
You're free to post your opinion about the topic all you want. You shouldn't be concerned about that. However you have to understand that your example really had very little to do with the topic in addition to being very insulting about someone that you really don't know about enough to make statements like that. It just so happens that someone on this board does know that man and was offended by your statements. Something to consider.
old psn: jest118
new psn: jesthatesyou
No I definitely understand you Antwan. It has changed the way people try to find and hit new spots in the city. That is for sure. And for the people who really approached the game from that angle, I can see how the addition of CAP has meant that, because some people choose to create spots, less people are hunting spots and appreciating the spot hunters.
I also understand the complaints about how most CAP are still just rails/banks/ledges/minis on repeat.
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--> "I wont give up my real friends just to play that game alone at home with headphones on, isolated from social contacts. Why did u (EA) had to ruin a game that hard? Did someone just poop in your cereals? Are we to blame for this action? "
jest...
"but to think that they have any degree of control over the people they sponsor aside from public appearances and advertising, then you're completely mistaken"
dude..
with the word "aside" you just agreed...
thats exactly what jack is talking about....
more importantly....
your opinion isnt gonna change jacks...
jacks opinion isnt gonna change yours...
get off it...
to everyone bitching back and forth like this is some pissing contest....
its an opinion...
everyone has one...
to pull your dick out and act like yours is bigger or better than someone elses its stupid ignorant is frankly quite childish...
have a conversation...
ask question....
put your dicks back in your pants....
im sick of this shit on fluckit...
SUPPORT YOUR HOMIES...
There's a huge difference between being in a Commercial or showing up for an autograph signing and "Being told what socks to put on every morning."
Otherwise, everyone everywhere who has a job is guilty of the same thing.. are they not? Yet no one talks about the average working man in a negative light for going where his boss tells him to go. Fufilling the obligations set forth by his job.
Furthermore I'm not trying to change his opinion. I just told him that his impression of that specific person is wrong and to consider that these are real people who have real friends. And I do not feel like I'm in the wrong for defending my friend anymore than you feel in the wrong for "defending fluckit."
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old psn: jest118
new psn: jesthatesyou
Iplayuno.
it's got nothing to do with creativity. if you only skate pc the game will get old eventually. no matter how many times you find a new spot, or a different way to skate it, you will be overlapping at some point. which isn't a bad thing, shit, look at how many times hollywood high and carlsbad have been in rl videos. they're fun spots to skate.
but with cap, the game should last forever. even when you can't share any more, you can still make your own shit.
just play the god damn game and stop arguing.
Who's arguing?
looks like a good conversation rather than arguing.
I agree with Mamba... its that simple. Without CAP the game would get old faster.
Only thing killing creatively is PC
My Youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/EternalREWIND
Jest - You're right about Paul Rodriguez the man. You know him much better than I do. I respect you for sticking up for your friend.
I also feel a little ashamed for shit talking about someone I don't know.
My opinion of America, and art, and wanton commercialism stands, but I should have made it about Mountain Dew the company not the people who are sponsored by them.
Paul Rodriguez, if there is even the smallest chance that you read this post, I'm sorry I dissed you.
Horsehead
"like a gnarly dog on PCP with gold teeth biting your face."
yeah lets not forget who the real culprit is. CAP didnt do nothin to you; shitty level design did.
I appreciate the apology. And I appreciate your stance on both Switch Flips and Commercialism. It takes a big man. Respect.
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Shitty level design made me think even more out of the box..
I agree with jerr, here just think to find weird shit that no one skates, like taboo shit that people hate but make it look good. I've been spending a couple days skating just straight carverton and there are plenty of little spots to hit in odd odd ways.
Totally agree with this to a point. Some of the design in PC makes it hard to be creative with though...*cough*...30 steps...*cough*...stair...*cough*...sets... I guess the one area which could be explored further is freestyle tricks since there is a lot of dead flat areas in PC. Pawn's done some great things.
Thanks man
My upcoming OATS 10 part definitely has a freestyle/flatground focus to it. And you are right, it's still one area where there's still new possibilities
my thoughts... create in pc with dropables
http://www.youtube.com/user/IRONMONK.../1/qiL92O0N0Es
i had ppl constantly asking me where i was skating when i had clips up before editing my video.. they were skating all over the place trying to find dumpsters that werent there...
creativity comes from within ones self. not whats on a screen
whether you create caps, skate pc, or create object dropper spots in either cap or pc, you need the drive to do so. not to mention meticulously laying tricks down at these places...
Im sure that not 1 person in the community has "creatively" filmed in 100% of the pc, not to mention the thousands of caps creatively thought up by those minds..
I didnt play skate for like 8-9 months and when I came back, it almost felt like a brand new game.
Mabey a break would do you good Jerr...
Or skate 4 lolz
or take an empty spot and fill the bastard with droppables, and get creative
Example Below
http://www.youtube.com/user/IRONMONK.../1/qiL92O0N0Es
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I can find new spots and combinations on a daily basis...............
Don't get me wrong...........
You honestly think wed be better off with just PC and no CAP? CAP saved this game from the grips of PC and its crappiness.
this. that is all
Yes, definately yes! Edit: In reference to CAP saving this game... That was a bit unclear
Here's a different take on this whole discussion.
In a sense, the object dropper kind of killed parts of PC I think in combination with CAP. I'm strictly talking about for the developers now. When I look at PC I see what a lot of you see: copied spots, too much open space etc.
The reason for this isn't directly that they decided to throw in the object dropper and CAP but the fact that they tried to do it while also building PC. They didn't have the time to build a great city like San Vanelona and also come up with a lot of great objects for CAP.
I have no insight in the development process but my guess is that at least some of the guys who designed the city also did stuff that ended up in CAP and object dropper. And they did it more or less at the same time. In my opinion that resulted in having lots of CAP objects in PC and not the other way around.
In SV and NSV there where a ton of different looking trees and benches that where specific for a certain area. In PC, you can see the same tree in many different places and the same texture in different areas. This is probably not laziness but rather a shortage of time and a mentality that said: CAP and PC share a lot of assets so why not take a CAP-approach when building the city, the players can improve it with the object dropper.
In short: CAP helped kill creativity (for the developers). But deadlines was the real culprit.
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They did have the time to build a great city
They were just stupid by announcing the game incl. the month they would release it in so early.
That is hardly a decision taken by the developers.
Member/Founder of CAP Faction
I'm talking both ea and the actual developers.
the whole city is a c.a.p...
i don't know about killing creativity, but CAP footage looks terrible and i refuse to use it in anything.
gitCHu ONe. [14|Dec 11:33 AM]: fluckit itself is not natural
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[02:24 PM] saunders420: looks dope
[02:26 PM] saunders420: nvm looks gay
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[11:13 AM] Richie x Jackson: horsehead you a juggalo?
i agree with this statement, CAP footage is only good for a video at that spot..
hmm...there are a handful of useful quotes in this thread.
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If the edit is legit
And to me it does seem CAP killed many people's ability to create within boundaries, with the boundaries being PC.
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And don't get me wrong, it's not that I'm anti-cap:
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i know im late to the party here but, no it didnt kill anything. if u build objects to cater to a specific trick then sure that makes it easy but on the other hand it takes a load of creativity to build some of these parks. and if anyone thinks that a trick/line isnt creative simply because its in a created park, i offer this witty retort. "YOUR MOM". some one once said to me " its not about the spot you skate., its about how you skate the spot." lulz. i think that applies to CAP as well. thats my 2 cents. take it what it is.
I'm late to the party. CAP isn't killing creativity. It's just creating a different kind of creativity. Making an environment that looks and feels real with the (broken) tools you're given is comparable to the same creativity that brought about popless and all of the other little tricks that people use to make their clips look great. I've made a few CAP's (not very good ones) and the fun is in making them. I hardly ever skate CAP's and I've never used a CAP clip in a video and (probably) never will. I think they're two separate things, both made to entertain someone with a skateboarding mindset. Who hasn't thought about designing their own park at least once? I don't think that the skating done in CAP is that great for a lot of reasons, one of them being that it will never look like a real city. People have come incredibly close and I applaud their efforts and skills, but it's always just not quite there. I also can't relate to CAP tricks, like people have mentioned. If I've never been there in game how do I know how hard it is? I also can never get the skating through the city feel in CAP, which is what I'm into. I'm not that stoked about setting a session marker and just trying a trick for an hour. I want to start at point A and eventually end up at point B and skate shit in between. In order to make an environment that looks real you're basically dropping the area that you can use down to 7-11 parking lot size. I can't cruise around in that, it's booooorrrriiiing. I have other points but I stopped caring about typing this about 2 sentences in.
Oh and Robley, we all know you skated that curved CAP rail in Megamyth.
this thread is so weird hahahahaha
say if skate 1 and 2 were only flatground
but skate 3 added object dropper. the addition of more options gives us way more ways to express our creativity. and i think we would all be thankful
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