Lil Wayne's New Single

[jest118]

I really don't understand why so many people are feeling Wayne. I mean... well maybe I should reword that. I can understand why people like his music, even if only due to the fact that it's plainly different strokes for different folks.

But I REALLY don't understand why people are feeling Wayne lyrically. It just doesn't make sense when there's so many rappers out who surpass him in so many ways. For example:

Crooked I:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZURRPZLTHUg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh-ycEfF0JM

Joe Buddens:
http://www.imeem.com/people/9PaTgr/m...ere_freestyle/

Copywrite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdM2NtYqglA

Black Milk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g8aUl1DkYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU0FmHg5WCc

and hell Pharoahe Monch's been killing it for years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCUt-jYcnw8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ6-FYAngvc


I mean... there's just so MANY artists out there that rap circles around Wayne. I didn't even touch on dudes on Majors like Em, Jay, Nas, etc..

And just to not be completely off topic I can't stand that Prom Queen track. I can really only listen to that track he did with Kanye on 808's and Heartbreak. Everything else just bugs the shit out of me.

[be a debaser]

wayne is garbage... always has been. Jest knows his stuff though not a fan of Black Milks emcee style but his beats are dope... others to check out:

onebelo - Originally from Binary Star whom he worked with Senim Silla... amazing emcee.
People Under The Stairs - more a group, but all good late 90's type feel shit... love it!
John Robinson - he recently released a colab with DOOM's instrumentals
Aesop Rock - a bit differnt if you like the abstract side of hip hop... A lot of his work is produced by blockhead.
Kenn Starr - Probably one of my favorite upincomers... Starr Status is probably oen of my top favorite albums of the last few years.
Blu - Another fresh dude... his colab with exile is FRESHHHHHHH
Blue Scholars - Good shit... a bit of a hip hop movement forming in seattle... beats are dope, sabzi is the man.

I could really go on...

[EmmitBrown]

either you're feelin it or you're not. i'm a lyricist and can appreciate the intricacies and subtleties that a lot of you i'm guessing miss.


didn't look at the whole list, but Joe Budden? are you serious? he's aiight, but he's NOT on weezy's level by any stretch of the imagination. that's just an insult.

i'll agree on em and jay, but nas ain't on any of their level either, i said it.

[jest118]

either you're feelin it or you're not. i'm a lyricist and can appreciate the intricacies and subtleties that a lot of you i'm guessing miss.


didn't look at the whole list, but Joe Budden? are you serious? he's aiight, but he's NOT on weezy's level by any stretch of the imagination. that's just an insult.

i'll agree on em and jay, but nas ain't on any of their level either, i said it.

You know.. I'm not a Buddens fan actually. However if you listen to that track that I linked.. it blows away anything Wayne has ever made in his life. And to say that someone who wrote lines like "I'm the bomb like tick tick" is above an artist who made Ether, One Mic, If I Ruled The World, and Nas is Like, that makes me wonder what exactly your consider lyricism.

[EAT BRICK KID]

Lil wayne cannot write lyrics for shitt.

I mean, His rapping voice and flow is cool..(He does good in the ludacris song and Games song.) but he just sucks at writing lyrics.

"I'm rare, like Mr. Clean with hair."

-Wayne


"The darker the berry, the sweeter the juice, I say the darker flesh, the deeper the roots.. I give a holla to my sisters on welfare..tupac cares, but dont nobody else cares."

-Tupac. (My fav pac line.)

[EmmitBrown]

you're quoting wayne's radio stuff against nas's album cuts...that's not gonna produce a fair comparison.

Nas: made you look...you need only listen to the first verse to hear piss poor filler lyrics at their finest. that's bush league. hell listen to the whole song and find one hot bar, i dare you. jada and luda killed the remix though, i'll give 'em that.

Weezy: these lyrics shit on Nas' whole catalog, and this is just some weezy mixtape shit!!!! he sooo nasty.


and to the dude that brought up pac...again you take one weezy humorous line against one of pacs more thoughtful lyrics. what if u put "i get around" for pac...would the comparison be the same? no....i think you guys just aren't into rap as deep as i am or something. i feel like im talking to a wall.

[Darkslide]

Wayne is not lyrical I'm sorry. I cant take a guy who pushes garbage out weekly, seriously. I know thats an exaggeration. He just isn't what people like to say he is. He's mainstream now(Yes IMO thats a bad thing) and he's begun to spawn more and more ignorant fans who think this is better than REAL music. I liked Like Wayne somewhat on the Original Carter. After that I stopped caring.

Using Auto-tune and saying one lines over and over in a song have become normal now and its dumb. Thats NOT music. Kanye fell into this and his album is just a disappointment. Wayne doesn't always do it. But he does it enough, which is too much.

[Darkslide]

Weezy: these lyrics shit on Nas' whole catalog, and this is just some weezy mixtape shit!!!! he sooo nasty.

I hope you're joking about this song. I laugh at someone who listens to this. He has no rhythm in his flow. This beat sounds hot, but its hard to hear over this raspy, whiny voice as he cries about some girl he's apologizing to and wanting back.

[EmmitBrown]

my point was that nas shouldn't even be brought into the discussion. weezy said "what she means to me is what i mean to rap" that's naasty...and i can pick a thousand bars from nas that aren't even close to that. you can't pick one hot bar and compare it to a shit bar of someone else. that's sheisty and you only do it because you have no better argument. wayne is hated cause haters don't listen to his songs...just his collabos on the radio. if that's all you base it on are radio songs then none of the artists you brought up have a song to enter for comparison....feel me?

[jest118]

you're quoting wayne's radio stuff against nas's album cuts...that's not gonna produce a fair comparison.

Nas: made you look...you need only listen to the first verse to hear piss poor filler lyrics at their finest. that's bush league. hell listen to the whole song and find one hot bar, i dare you. jada and luda killed the remix though, i'll give 'em that.

Weezy: these lyrics shit on Nas' whole catalog, and this is just some weezy mixtape shit!!!! he sooo nasty.


and to the dude that brought up pac...again you take one weezy humorous line against one of pacs more thoughtful lyrics. what if u put "i get around" for pac...would the comparison be the same? no....i think you guys just aren't into rap as deep as i am or something. i feel like im talking to a wall.

Actually all those Nas tracks I listed were Radio Singles. If you want.. you can take Ether out of there since it was a diss track. Let's compare some of the lines of the joint you posted to some Nas lines.

Wayne Quotes:
"Nigga feelin' like he at the bottom like a horse shoe"
"Give me another chance, I'm needin' it like a kidney"
"You were the pistol to my holster .. BANG!"
"What she mean to me, is what I mean to rap (what I mean to rap)"

Nas Quotes from Nas is Like:
"Nas is like.. Earth Wind & Fire, rims and tires
Bulletproof glass, inside is the realest driver
Planets in orbit, line em up with the stars
Tarot cards, you can see the pharaoh Nas
Nas is like.. Iron Mike, messiah type
Before the Christ, after the death
The last one left,"

Just that Earth Wind and Fire line shits all over the What I mean to Rap line simply because Wayne is only a legend in his own mind... while Earth Wind and Fire undeniably legendary.

The unquoted parts of that Wayne song are emotional.. that's true. But emotional conveyance does not mean lyricism. I also wouldn't say that Pac was a lyricist either.

When I talk lyricists I'm talking about dudes who really work magic with the language. Metaphors, Similes, and Personification, all have to exceptional.


Edit: I should clarify though.. That I'm not saying that conveying emotion isn't important in an MC. Just the opposite actually. But a lyricist is better with the clever lines. Wayne makes songs that some people like to listen to yes... but none of his lines are actually impressive. At least... not in comparison to a LOT of other emcees out.

Personally though, I don't like anything that Wayne does.

[EmmitBrown]

"I also wouldn't say that Pac was a lyricist either."


nevermind then, we have two completely different definitions of lyricist.


and just because you don't get his references, doesn't mean he isn't making them.


ps. those nas lyrics you quoted aren't that impressive, especially considering he had time to write them (it was an album track) and weezy writes his songs during the session a lot of the time (that song was a mixtape track). i also notice you didn't quote made you look.



"When I talk lyricists I'm talking about dudes who really work magic with the language. Metaphors, Similes, and Personification, all have to exceptional."

^^ this is why i think you either haven't heard much weezy other than radio, or you don't get what he's saying...because he's all of those.