Politics, Conspiricies and other Bullshit

[fallingskyline]

since there is no subforum for stuff like this, i'll post it here

So what's your two Cents about the imminent danger of a war starting between Iran and Israel? Is it, that this plan had been arranged way beforehand? Maybe 9/11 as Milestone one?
Fact is, that a war between those two would cause a war over the complete mideast leading into WW3 'cause neither America, China nor Russia would leave their so called "allies" alone, what would cause a reaction by the other side...

PS the recent bombings in bangkok seem like a bad joke to me, this is so "four-lion-esque" that it certainly can not be true. Why would Iran send some dilettantes like that, would be way too obvious. Even their intelligence is more advanced than this...

[SK8ERatWAR]

yeah, if israel attacks iran, there is no question about wether there is gonna be a ww3, 'cause Russia and China both stated that they would both help out Iran when attacked and that automatically means that the US is drawn into the war as well.. And by then, North Korea sees every big country fighting each other, BAM, Homefront.. that could happen. Oh yeah and when the US is drawn to war, we Europeans can bet our ass on that we're sent out to war too.
Btw those Israëlians are crazy, self absorbed, arrogant, paranoid assholes who think they can do whatever they want. They always say they're the victims.. GTFO
these statements aren't facts, just my thoughts on everything..

[mamba12]

I'm voting for Ron Paul to stop all this nonsense.

[agusbmxarg]

And while crazy things are happening all around the globe, The United Kingdom doesn't have a better idea than bringing military ships planes and crew to the Falkland islands, and my country, with less than 3 combat planes and a total lack of ground forces, starts pushing in the UN for a 'peace agreement' and a justified (by geographical and historical matters) land recovery.

The worst thing is that even I am against what my country is asking for, because we legally deliver our lands (with one of the finest and biggest oil basin in the world) to England in some stupid trade agreement which we thought was going to be prosperous, but it wasn't.

Fuck politicians, atleast the ones that are in charge now.

[Slamooh]

WW3 ? lol

[bohemian]

i thk were safe till late summer

[BeatChemist]

The world is fucked.

I don't want to get into it right now, but man, are things fucked. This Israel/Iran thing right now is just peanuts to the reality of the energy crisis that is barreling (no pun) down on us, and we are not even beginning to discuss it from any kind of realistic perspective.

The free ride is over folks. We've been living on resources that took billions of years to create, and we've burned through them in a few centuries. It started with coal and steam power, which allowed the first phase of industrialization to happen. Jump a few steps, and you get electricity, which brought about a whole slew of advances and benefits, but also deepened our addiction to energy because it became pervasive. But the killer is oil. That thick, dark, mysterious liquid we discovered not only got us hooked on gasoline to power the combustion engine (which is sooooooo inefficient itself, and that's another story altogether...) but it is now the lifeblood of pretty much anything we do. And I don't just mean the gas that powers the motors. The carbon based chemistry that has developed from the discovery of oil has been used to prop up and enhance allllll sorts of aspects of modern life. From the manufacturing of pretty much ANYTHING you buy - if it's not made of plastic, it's packaged in plastic - to the food you eat - our soil is dead, we just pour oil on it to make it fertile - everything involves or directly depends on oil.

You think this Iran thing is about nuclear weapons? Get fucking real. There are literally THOUSANDS of nuclear weapons already made, ready to go, lying around the world. The threat of a country actually being able to enrich enough uranium, or mine enough plutonium, or even build a hydrogen bomb... well it' just pretty fucking slim. For the enriching, it is INCREDIBLY expensive and energy consuming to enrich uranium. The threat of China, or Russia, or any other nuclear country, selling/losing nuclear weapons and the the necessary delivery systems to use them is more of a threat than some rogue terrorist state developing it themselves. Not that I am saying Iran is a rogue state... because it is not. It has been a country for thousands of years and has a relatively stable economy and government. They just don't like being told that they aren't allowed to sit at the adults table and possess nuclear technology.

So Iran is about oil. It's all about controlling the oil. We are like crack addicts that have somehow learned to actually nourish themselves with crack. We've been getting so high for so long we don't even realize we are actually living on crack. AND our dealer is about to run dry.

Good luck with that.

b/w

I need to print this out and just hand it to people who ask me why I don't want to have kids. lol

[BeatChemist]

The whole China factor is what is really making this Iran thing crazy though, as has already been mentioned.

China is ready to suit up and get busy. They KNOW what is at stake. They need oil more than anyone.

God if Ron Paul actually gets elected president... I don't even know what I would do. Not that I love the guy. But he is clearly not been bought by Wall St. or special interest groups. He will tell the people how it is. No bullshit.

But that is NEVER happening. I think he'd get assassinated before it ever got close to happening. And I am not kidding one bit.

The sad thing is that we're past that.... people don't even want to hear the reality of things now. They are just gulping down more and more bullshit hoping they'll get used to the taste.

[llamasrock]

Ok, it hasnt been mentioned yet, so here it goes, the "Jesus Standpoint" We're all expressing opinions here, lets be mature.

War against Israel is inevitable, as described in the Bible. But also according to the Bible, Israel will stand, and so will the nations that support Israel. There are historical events and phenomena that support these things that were prophesied almost thousands of years ago:

Israel became its own nation in 1948, this was prophesied in the bible. (if you choose to accept the mathematics people have come up with, the bible even predicts the month and year)

Israel, an entire COUNTRY which is smaller than the STATE of New Jersey, surrounded by giant countries with huge military forces that have been trying to destroy it for years, still hangs on. This is prophesied also.

If Israel and Iran do go to war, the US will most likely get involved, if not to look good and be supportive on a global standpoint, but also because the Bible says that those who dont stand with Israel will fall. Past presidents havent outright stated that this is the reason for their support of Israel, but they have to at least appear to hold christian values, and the strong Fudamentalist Christian vote says that we support Israel for this reason.

There it is, my opinion and thoughts, with a little bit of backup sources. Please be gentle Fluckers

[BeatChemist]

That is an interesting angle. I had never really thought about the US just backing Israel out of some weird fear of a biblical apocalypse.

While I do believe that the people controlling the US are Christian in their beliefs, I do not believe it motivates them politically. Unless it's to pander to the Christian voters in the country. I mean, creationism is still taught in school. The religious voter base is BIG.

I still think the main reason anyone in the US gov is talking about actions against Iran is the oil in the region. Iran is not simply going to nuke the US. And they aren't bombing Thailand. All of this is propaganda to position Iran as an enemy/threat and ease public support towards military action. The nuke threat is the big issue simply because it is the ONLY thing that the public will really accept as a reason to invade.

The US spent years in Afghanistan and Iraq, and neither of those countries are ANY better off or more "democratic" or "westernized" or "modernized"... The US needs to focus on it's citizens at home. Period.

[andreas]

[llamasrock]

Lol Andreas, I accept your input and respect you for it

[Monk]

The real threat to the world is the US Government and has been every since the Monroe Doctrine was mandated. We are the ones pissing off the rest of the world going in blowing everything to kingdom come then spending trillions of our tax dollars over to rebuild them in the name of "terror" and petrol... China, Russia, and Iran could be considered the new "Axis" so to speak because they have formed an alliance, and not many ppl know that China already has a super aircraft carrier they purchased from Russia that was "decommissioned" and never finished, and now has superior electronic warfare on it. The only reason we even know of this was some shmuck in a cubicle at NORAD that just so happened to be scanning the Pacific on day off a satellite and they even compared it to "finding a needle in a haystack" blind luck. Plus the fact we were ignorant enough to fly one of our new drones into Irans airspace and it just so happened to "crash" as per the mass media. Then 2 days later we get video of a brand new untouched stealth drone in Irans hands that they said they used electronic warfare to take it down. Then the media changed their story saying it "flew to high in the atmosphere" and was prone to miscommunication, and that they were not too worried about it because the technology on it was more advanced than they could handle. Then a week later Iran comes out saying guess what guys? We have reverse engineered your stealth drone and have 10 in production right now. LOL ! This government needs to quit thinking that this is some third world turban wrapped country we are trying to fuck with- they are all but not this; and like Vietnam..... we will most likely get our asses handed to them if we mess with them. It just amazes me how ignorant they are even asking Iran to give the drone back or "We're gonna come in and take it" There has not been an official war declaration since the 60's if that, and it's sad that we the people have to reap the repercussions of stupidity.
WWIII is eminent; so i guess the only thing i can say is get your preps ready for when it happens.

EDIT; +1 for the 420th post

[knexzor]

The real threat to the world is the US Government and has been every since the Monroe Doctrine was mandated. We are the ones pissing off the rest of the world going in blowing everything to kingdom come then spending trillions of our tax dollars over to rebuild them in the name of "terror" and petrol...

This is the truth. Then of course you ruined it with super plane theories and new secret Axis alliances hah

[bohemian]

Ok, it hasnt been mentioned yet, so here it goes, the "Jesus Standpoint"

you cant possibly be serious

if you havent even passed the god delusion you have no chance in hell (pun) of arguing the future of our society

wake the fuck up

[fallingskyline]

Monk, every "new" marine ship has some kind of electronic warfare (ew from now on) on board. BUT!, and here's the point in 9,5 of 10 ew is used for self protection!!! EW is about detecting threats like enemy radar and jamming this, detect enemy communication (find where, what and who is it), detecting incoming missiles and misleading them by chaff flare or destroy them by whatever countermeasures are on board. Worst thing would be an "EMP" in any form.
read up about electronic signal intelligence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELINT

i could write a whole book about ew since i'm into ew for a living... yes i know i'm evil, but it pays kinda well

[Slamooh]

Ok, it hasnt been mentioned yet, so here it goes, the "Jesus Standpoint" We're all expressing opinions here, lets be mature.

War against Israel is inevitable, as described in the Bible. But also according to the Bible, Israel will stand, and so will the nations that support Israel. There are historical events and phenomena that support these things that were prophesied almost thousands of years ago:

Israel became its own nation in 1948, this was prophesied in the bible. (if you choose to accept the mathematics people have come up with, the bible even predicts the month and year)

Israel, an entire COUNTRY which is smaller than the STATE of New Jersey, surrounded by giant countries with huge military forces that have been trying to destroy it for years, still hangs on. This is prophesied also.

If Israel and Iran do go to war, the US will most likely get involved, if not to look good and be supportive on a global standpoint, but also because the Bible says that those who dont stand with Israel will fall. Past presidents havent outright stated that this is the reason for their support of Israel, but they have to at least appear to hold christian values, and the strong Fudamentalist Christian vote says that we support Israel for this reason.

There it is, my opinion and thoughts, with a little bit of backup sources. Please be gentle Fluckers

O_O
Let me be gentle : THIS is bullshit

Seriously... poor lil Israël

[Monk]

i think everyone should watch the new show doomsday preppers on national geographic channel; its pretty freakin cool!



the first guy on that video is Tim the inventor of the crovel- epic win utensil

[replicant]

As long as it doesn't interrupt my ability to play games and download porn I don't give a shit about who bombs who in the middle east.
Isreal and Iran can both go take a flying fuck.

[saunders420]

Now I believe, Iran, North Korea and I think Venezuela or Argentina, are the only countries left to not have a privately owned INT. Bank owned by Rothschild.
So 3 countries on this planet left til they are either overthrown and fucked like a hand puppet or blown up and rebuilt by Americuhs.

Strange Sounds, anybody interested by those shenanigans.

[bohemian]

^^ your onto something

strange sounds on the other hand, are fake as hell.