Overcrooks on Handrails

[jest118]

You're such a ray of sunshine.

[Legba]

I know you're playing devil's advocate, so I can appreciate that winded post.
But I've been skating for well over a decade, so I dont need tricks explained to me lol.
It is just like you said with the 5-0/salad thing tho. The way I see it, if a dude lands his front truck on a rail with his tail already tweaked out, thats an overcrook in my book. My book is written by me and is, therefore, unofficial. Its just when I think back to belly-flopping on a 6-stair handrail trying to land my first "fs overcrook" it pisses me off a bit to hear folks call it a nosegrind. Cuz when I didn't swing my tail over the opposite side of the rail that I came from, it was a lot easier to do.
But when I was kicking my board forward and calling it a dolphin flip only to have some kid tell me; "Thats a Murder Flip!" another; "Forward Flip" and yet another; "DONKEY FLIP!", I thought, "Awesome!". Cuz I knew we were all talking about the same thing, I liked being able to refer to it so many ways.

A names a name, and a sweet ass trick is just that.

I now introduce: The Overnose Swoop


And theres plenty of sunshine in that tittyful avatar [stares shamelessly]

[Hitmanx123]

btw let this thread die, seriously im tired of hearing about feeble salads being caught by the 5-0 after being tweaked. its just getting rediculous guys.

[jest118]

btw let this thread die, seriously im tired of hearing about feeble salads being caught by the 5-0 after being tweaked. its just getting rediculous guys.

It's not like there's a ton of threads popping and I like having these types of convo's. It's just a convo. Not a heated argument or anything like that.

[Hitmanx123]

It's not like there's a ton of threads popping and I like having these types of convo's. It's just a convo. Not a heated argument or anything like that.

i guess. just seems like a stair-case convo that will lead to almost no conclusion. getting into the nitty gritty of why skaters think certain ways is fun but tbh theres only so much you can say before it comes down to the "thats how you think and this is how i think, we are different" realization. but whatever gets your post count up :/

[Antwan]

So one side says an accidental overcrook down a handrail is a nosegrind
because you've never seen a straight nosegrind down a handrail you say an overcrook is a nosegrind.
Now I understand where This side is coming from..
But you can't really deny what is already there.. Frontside exists, Nosegrinds exist
Being dependent on if it has been done or not seems silly to me.

If the person is approaching any obstacle whatsoever
with their toes facing toward it in their regular stance
is it not technically frontside? So, Toes toward the hand rail.. Regular Stance. Frontside nosegrind?
If this is technically true you can't really say it doesn't exist, maybe it has not been done
but it still seems like a possible variation.

Mind you, I'm still learning but just showing interest and shedding some light on my perspective.

[knexzor]

So one side says an accidental overcrook down a handrail is a nosegrind
because you've never seen a straight nosegrind down a handrail you say an overcrook is a nosegrind.
Now I understand where This side is coming from..
But you can't really deny what is already there.. Frontside exists, Nosegrinds exist
Being dependent on if it has been done or not seems silly to me.

If the person is approaching any obstacle whatsoever
with their toes facing toward it in their regular stance
is it not technically frontside? So, Toes toward the hand rail.. Regular Stance. Frontside nosegrind?
If this is technically true you can't really say it doesn't exist, maybe it has not been done
but it still seems like a possible variation.

Mind you, I'm still learning but just showing interest and shedding some light on my perspective.

I think you got it backwards. Nobody in this thread denies fs nosegrinds; however, the debate is regarding whether fs overcrooks on rails are legit, of if they are in fact just fs nosegrinds.

[jest118]

i guess. just seems like a stair-case convo that will lead to almost no conclusion. getting into the nitty gritty of why skaters think certain ways is fun but tbh theres only so much you can say before it comes down to the "thats how you think and this is how i think, we are different" realization. but whatever gets your post count up :/

Yeah I get what you mean. I just saw that in this thread there was really only one viewpoint being expressed so I took up the mantle of the other side for conversations sake. I also just moved to a town with like zero skate scene so I'm little starved for even the most pointless skate talk lol.

[Legba]

i guess. just seems like a stair-case convo that will lead to almost no conclusion. getting into the nitty gritty of why skaters think certain ways is fun but tbh theres only so much you can say before it comes down to the "thats how you think and this is how i think, we are different" realization. but whatever gets your post count up :/

I just wanted to really find out what this whole debate is based on. Until Moose started this thread, I had only heard of this issue once from some dude I met in Nor Cal. Other than that, people always count my fs overcrooks. So the latter part of this thread (with jest representing the opposing side) has actually been pretty informative.

I also just moved to a town with like zero skate scene

Ooooh, I know how that is! Lone Wolf-headphone sessions are all ya got. The worst is when there's no spots to speak of either, yikes! So glad I was able to move back to Brooklyn lol.

[jest118]

Ooooh, I know how that is! Lone Wolf-headphone sessions are all ya got. The worst is when there's no spots to speak of either, yikes! So glad I was able to move back to Brooklyn lol.

I don't even have those. Stay at home Dad to a 3 year old and a wife who's 6 months preggo. I get zero session time whatsoever. In my last town I could at least take the kid down to the local shop and bs with people and watch vids. No skate shop in this town though. There's a Ron Jon Surf Shop but it's a tourist shop. It's a cool little town, just doesn't satisfy me on the skate side of things.

[briden]

One thing I think might not have been brought up yet is that trick names are linear. When the first fs nosegrind was done on a handrail, it was simply a grind on the front truck. There was no "overcrook" to compare it to, so it didn't matter if it was hanging over the side. That's just how the trick was done. But Bs Overcrooks were new when they were done (anyone remember gersh grinds?), so therefore it got a new name and was differentiated from a bs nosegrind.

It's not like there's a ton of threads popping and I like having these types of convo's. It's just a convo. Not a heated argument or anything like that.

Preach.

[heshfield]

[[Moose]]

/thread pls god damn

[echoturbo]

1:51

[jest118]

I wasn't trying to explain it to as much as I was just sort of writing it out to explain my reasoning more clearly. I apologize if I came across like I was trying to teach you.

But yeah.. I agree if every overcrook is tweaked out before the front truck locks, then it follows reasoning to consider it a different trick. It's a lot harder to lock and hold like that. I just see most kids landing in nosegrind and pushing it over and calling it an overcrook. Like just by shifting the tail after the fact qualifies it. It's like when people try smith grinds but the wheels on the front truck aren't sunk lower than the rail. Yeah it's not really a 50 or a 5-0 but it's not really a smith either. For example, Malto, 9 times out of 10, does it right.

Meanwhile, kids like this dude, come at harder angle and push it over during the grind. When someone does that, it's just tweaking out a nosegrind.

[Hitmanx123]

You're such a ray of sunshine.

you know me!