If you're talking about OG Daniel Gesmer freestyle, then I won't defend that. That's dancing on wheels, might as well be ice skating.
But back to your question, it's really simple: I've never met a freestyler that I couldn't relate to, and I've never met a longboarder who wasn't a kook.
Originally Posted by momadaddy
So dancing on a skateboard isn't skateboarding?
what about carving a bank?
high jump?
slolem?
So only what is most popular now is what real skating is?
Have never met a long boarder that didnt skate
Most skaters i know are kooks
It would be dificult to count someone out cause i dont "relate" to them
Wether i relate or like how someone skates, if they stand on a board with 4 wheels and roll 1 inch they are skating. Thats my opinion, doesnt mean i like it
I cant relate to 20 kids coming to a huge skatepark with everything imaginable to skate and standing in line to ollie off the equivelant to a fucking loading dock, and thats the majority, but those stupid kids are def skateboarders and i dont have the right to think any different
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Its funny cuz its true haha, So often its everyone in line to skate something and im stuggling not to get in the way cuz im coming in from some other direction skating something in a way no one else is...
actually got to skate a bit today, everythings drying up, cant wait to start filming again. Got a footplant 1640 manual spin today and a switch 1 foot 720 manual spin, man i love fake tricks
Man you love taking shit out of context; have you heard Gesmer talk about skating, or even seen his skate parts? Or rather, "choreography" as he calls it. HE looks at it as a dance, not me. His mindset is that of a dancer, not a skateboarder. So no he isn't skateboarding; he is dancing with a skateboard. I could go on about other stuff he says and his views, but it basically comes down to this: if you walk down the street with your board in your hand, then you're walking, not skating.
And I already stood up for freestyle, which is arguably the least popular form of skating right now, so your last point makes literally no sense.
I don't skateboard in real life. I tried... but its not in my genes, and I don't have the patience to learn. However, I'm still a really big fan of it. I watch real life parts like every day.
All forms of skateboarding are entertaining to me... freestyle is very exciting (but can get boring to watch without a grind or two)... standard street skating is beautiful to watch... vert skating has a good, smooth feeling when I'm watching it.
Man you always have nice mannys and smooth stalls and bonks.
Nice edit.
how does it make no sense? You said longboarding wasn't skateboarding you said dancing on a skateboard wasn't skateboarding, just wanted to see where you'd draw the line.
But yeah i've seen his stuff, like this one :
You do realize choreographed dance routines were huge in freestyle in the 70's just one of the poplular phases in skateboarding, it wasn't until guys like Mullen who started really pushing trick wise that the dance routines faded from the mainstream. Then mullens form of freestyle faded out and shaped how street skating is today. How is one trend, or one step in skateboarding's evolution less "skateboarding" than another?
Im not 100% sure Mullen formed street skating, but i dont think thats totally what you meant. I think it was more of a natural progression. Tony Alva and Jay Adams going over the coping in a pool might be more to credit for stretching peoples bounderies in skating. Mostly because there was no video and mullen wasnt in to many mags at the time. I think he probably deserves credit for doing a ton of tricks first even if they were done again by a lot of people before they saw him do it. But most if not all 80's/early 90's pioneers in skateboarding hold Mullen in a very high light.
I have never run into Satori before, but what i heard about him seems true, welcome to fluckit.
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oh yeah, totally didnt mean street skating was all Mullen, he was just a big step, just like Dogtown boys before him
I remember long time ago, someone coming here from skate this i think, complaining you were being a dick. Demz said you tell it like it is and dont give a shit or something, and people get offended. I said sounds like my kind of guy
2 years ago i bet
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I'm not even drawing the line myself, though. I'm just going with what he's saying: he has the mindset of a dancer. And honestly I'm not even trying to hate on him, but I see how it comes off that way. He's doing his own thing, and I have no problem with that, but he doesn't consider what he's doing to be skateboarding, so neither do I.
But it does bother me a little bit how you can tell from him talking that he's bitter about where freestyle skateboarding was going, all that "gliding and turning" talk. Basically talking shit about everything Mullen (and similar freestylers) did before Rocco's influence and the Plan B era. I don't even necessarily disgree with it, but he knew he wasn't going to last in the skate world and IMO he was just trying to save face.
And as far as longboarding goes, I can just turn the question right back (not directly at you, Pawn. Just in general): Where do you draw the line? Isn't the whole point of longboarding to get from point A to point B? Would you consider riding a Razor scooter to be skateboarding? Or driving a car? edit: What about ripsticks?
I get your points, i think we are in more of a general agreement the more we clarify our arguments.
But to answer your question i really wouldn't draw a line, its more of a spectrum that branches off into different areas. At one point you'd have the beginner kid doing caveman stuff and throwing his board around and at the other end you'd have all the best pros in street, freestyle, vert ect. I just find it hard to think of someone doing anything with a skateboard and it not being called skateboarding.
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