Bin laden DEAD !

[Roccityroller]

mushrooms and clouds.

Sounds like a good trip

[fallingskyline]

I'm against all kind of terror and 911 was a horrible event, no doubt in that. But what sickens me is the shitty eye-for-an-eye attidude most americans seem to have, i don't say all of them, and if you're feeling pissed on, it wasn't my intention, i'm just saying my honest opinion. For me the whole so called "war on terror" is a farce, the only possible reason for it wouldn't be hunting down obl but gain money, power and most important oil.

Just my two cents, feel free to hate me for saying so...

[Antwan]

Sounds like a good trip

Let's not forget that they will bomb with intent of killing themselves
Bad trip.

[jest118]

well i still think celebrating and telling people "justice is served" is like denying the concept of justice...im not supporting terrorists, i just mean that any criminal deserves a trial, victims deserve a trial... vengeance is barbary and should not be considered as a good way to end this...
eye for an eye IS barbary

You're acting like he was executed without due process. The Seal Team's mission was to capture and extract him. When they breached the house to capture him, he picked up a weapon and attacked. Had he not picked up that AK, he'd have been taken into custody alive.

^^ again.. why is american lives more worth than for example afghan lives? or pakistani? or iraki? each death brings sorrow, be it in the holy usa or the middle east.

No one is saying one life is worth more than another and you're definitely trolling the topic with that garbage. Death is inevitable in war and War will exist so long as Mankind is fallible.

Either way if they would've gotten OBL alive and would've taken him to the US to give him a "fair" trial, the consequence would've been, that they'd sentence him to death either by chair, gas-chamber or whatnot. I'm all against death-penalty, it doesn't bring back those who died.
The only way to really serve justice would be to make peace, otherwise there still be people dying for some dickheads with blown attitudes that sit back in their fancy chairs, and don't get their hands dirty.
Fuck eye for an eye!!!
Osama didn't fly those planes and Obama didn't pull the trigger but both are murderers, for their idea of what is good and holy...

I disagree. Capture was the intent of the mission. He picked up a gun and was unwilling to be taken alive (like many evil men before him). In that regard, the Seal(s) who are directly responsible for his death had no other choice.

Of course, i didnt ignore that part, imo, this is the main flaw of your point of view. you never put justice into context, you should not consider how the victims feel... ... If those people think justice has been served, i find it disturbing and its universally disturbing. Applying justice is trying to be objective... you should not consider subjective point of views.. especially victims who lack logic because of emotions.
but we re really off subject...

The logic implied here is nice and all but doesn't work in reality. The damage done to the victim MUST be considered when dealing justice. How else would won determine if the punishment fits the crime? Keep in mind that specifically in this case, Bin Laden had released tons of propaganda boasting about the crimes he committed.. so the need to prove it was him would've been ceremonial at best.

i dont even feel the need to justify my statements. trolling or not, call it what you will. but i def do not jump to conclustions, ive been following this for ages and ive seen and read as much as i can to base my own view of whats happened and is happening. Theres many sides and the whole situation is insanely complex. and i dont like arguing in forums, english is not my main language and i often get misunderstodd or misinterpreted.

bottom line, the world is fucked.. and it will only get worse the coming years. (partly because the american population is brainwashed into supporting these "justified" wars on whatever they choose for the time beeing.)

It's most definitely trolling. And overall your "opinion" is offensive even if only because not only do you look down your nose at others for their decisions, without offering your own but because you're grouping an entire society together in your twisted, unproven viewpoint.

[bohemian]

[Slamooh]

Jest, what bothers me is how people use the term justice, how people are celebrating this in the US and all of that is dumb. Its maybe just symantics as donvigo said... its not. It gives a hint about how some people think in the USA...and i hate that.
I still think it's bad hes dead and im really wondering if it was a murder raid or a capture raid...
A question is : capture him or kill him, whats best for USA ? what's best for obama ? a trial or a corpse in the sea ?
I dont have answers, im just wondering. i do think we can't trust what is being told about the raid...we ll never know i guess...

Dude i definitely agree with this

The damage done to the victim MUST be considered when dealing justice

but letting emotions speak is weak... this is not how justice works. Letting emotions speak means punishment won't fit the crime ...no control over emotions and the primitive being in everyone of us takes the lead, fails at reasoning, retaliation... i know theres no doubt here, Bin Laden is a bad guy. There should not be any difference in the justice process between a guy killing one person and a guy killing thousands though...

By the way, i m strongly against death sentence. Maybe thats why my opinion seems twisted... But its another debate i guess

[HorseHead]

America is an embarrassing place to live sometimes. A great place full of great people who make very poor decisions. This attitude of "They killed ours so we gotta kill theirs!!!!" is the type of logic you should have left in the sandbox in elementary school. Additionally, you're celebrating the death of someone who has no operational role in Al Qaeda. Bin Laden was a spiritual leader and mentor, he was not planning or issuing the orders that cost anyone their lives. It will have no effect on their operation. They have gained a martyr and these battles and constant infiltrations into countries where we have no business will only inspire more to join their ranks. Why does everyone think that going in and killing these people is going to change anything? We are giving them exactly what they want in doing so. These people want Jihad. We're giving them that.

In addition this talk about revenge for 9/11 is frustrating to me. Why do you think that they attacked us on 9/11? Something to do with how they "hate freedom"? Do you think they want to martyr themselves to attack our "freedom"? Could it possibly have anything to do with our military bases in their land? Huh, you think they might be mad about our soldiers occupying land that's been theirs for hundreds of years? Who would've thought... Our military occupations have killed much much more than 3,000 people. I'm not trying to devalue the lives of the victims at all, it was a terrible tragedy and a loss for all of humanity. But we continue to behave in a way that prompts these attacks and are somehow expecting a different response. Do you think any of the victims would say "Yes, please avenge my death with the lives of thousands of other civilians, American and allied troops"? I don't. I don't know what the right response is. I don't have the answers and no one person has all of the answers. Which is why it's important that people really look into what's happening so that everyone can bring something to the table to discuss so that we could maybe reach some sort of agreement. Or we could just keep up the macho bullshit and wait for the nuclear holocaust.

Here are some interesting thoughts about the situation from someone who has covered Al Qaeda extensively. It's short, read it, it'll hopefully make you think. http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/02-2

[DonVigo]

America is an embarrassing place to live sometimes. A great place full of great people who make very poor decisions. This attitude of "They killed ours so we gotta kill theirs!!!!" is the type of logic you should have left in the sandbox in elementary school. Additionally, you're celebrating the death of someone who has no operational role in Al Qaeda. Bin Laden was a spiritual leader and mentor, he was not planning or issuing the orders that cost anyone their lives. It will have no effect on their operation. They have gained a martyr and these battles and constant infiltrations into countries where we have no business will only inspire more to join their ranks. Why does everyone think that going in and killing these people is going to change anything? We are giving them exactly what they want in doing so. These people want Jihad. We're giving them that.

In addition this talk about revenge for 9/11 is frustrating to me. Why do you think that they attacked us on 9/11? Something to do with how they "hate freedom"? Do you think they want to martyr themselves to attack our "freedom"? Could it possibly have anything to do with our military bases in their land? Huh, you think they might be mad about our soldiers occupying land that's been theirs for hundreds of years? Who would've thought... Our military occupations have killed much much more than 3,000 people. I'm not trying to devalue the lives of the victims at all, it was a terrible tragedy and a loss for all of humanity. But we continue to behave in a way that prompts these attacks and are somehow expecting a different response. Do you think any of the victims would say "Yes, please avenge my death with the lives of thousands of other civilians, American and allied troops"? I don't. I don't know what the right response is. I don't have the answers and no one person has all of the answers. Which is why it's important that people really look into what's happening so that everyone can bring something to the table to discuss so that we could maybe reach some sort of agreement. Or we could just keep up the macho bullshit and wait for the nuclear holocaust.

Here are some interesting thoughts about the situation from someone who has covered Al Qaeda extensively. It's short, read it, it'll hopefully make you think. http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/02-2

In all fairness, 10 years ago I caught a lot of flack from my friends and family members because I was the one going "you know, there's a very valid reason other cultures hate us and would want to attack us."

I understand how a lot of the world looks at us. Face it, we're the ones making Jersey Shore happen. If there was a single example I could give as to why it is the rest of the world looks at Americans with disdain, that'd be the best one I could give. And, HorseHead, you're right... It's fucking embarrassing. Sad as it is, TV seems to be the biggest influence on our culture, and if you look at that media influence, no wonder we all seem stupid, greedy, and childishly indignant about our perception of our freedoms and liberties. We make celebrities out of people who shouldn't be paid any attention to in the first place, and then obsess over all of their flaws while hypocritically emulating them. We have major news networks which aren't legitamite news outlets, yet people follow the biased and slanted information as if it were some sort of holy verbiage. We do what we want, when we want to do it, regardless of who it may effect, because we're freee to do so, and if you try to go against that freedom or speak ill of it you're "unamerican" or "unpatriotic."

I think rather than "a great place full of great people who make very poor decisions" I'd say "it's a great place with some great people and some individuals who care more about themselves and what they're 'free' to do than the greater good of the rest of their society."

Another thing I've been chastised for saying before, but I still believe it: I'm fortunate to be an American. I don't know if it's anything to take pride in anymore.

[Demzilla]

notes with demzilla....


like bo..
you read every article you can to make your own decision...

like opinions...
every one is entitled to one and should be allowed to keep having one...

like all american history.
"a eye for an eye" is thee military democratic motto...

like language...
"justice" is not the same as "fare" "balanced" "even" "honest" "right" "wrong"..

like sympathy..
im not connected but i am allowed to rejoice with those that are effected...

like extremist...
we have them in the streets "rioting"/celebrating like others strap bombs to them selfs...

you shouldnt be poking others opinions with a fine tooth comb trying to dismantle the others persons logic...

you should be asking each other thoughtful questions to help each other understand each persons point of view..

opinions are not persuasive essays...

there is no right and wrong...




respect is understanding differences..
lets try to respect each other here boys...




personally..

even if that pic of his head is fake...
its the exact thing i wanted to see the next morning..

when i was at the bar the bartender on the bull horn said "raise your glass for america"
i did..
and i drank a sip in celebration for my fellow countrymen...
that was my celebration/sympathy...

is what we did "justice"...
honestly...
what "justice" could match the amount of harm and pain this one man has caused?...
probably nothing...
so that term kinda makes no sense to me...
i woulda used a headline using the word "closure"...
to me its more respectful....

oh i cant wait to get the name of the dude who got the bullet through his left eye..
so gangster...

[jerr bear]

Saddam Hussein's dead?

[replicant]

Saddam Hussein's dead?

No, Saddam and Tupac have a new album coming out next month.

[jerr bear]

Must tell Elvis Presley

[replicant]

Must tell Elvis Presley

Elvis produced it.

[Antwan]

It's going to be on the We are Fluckit video guys..
Got it bootleg.

[replicant]

It's going to be on the We are Fluckit video guys..
Got it bootleg.

Link plox